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Maybe we need to fire up a poll on this and put it in the hands of the people. Looks like several ideas have come from this thread that can be put up for voting including the following:

  1. Fall National Championships
  2. Fall Nats
  3. Fall Nationals Championships at Charleston
  4. Charleston Fall Nationals
  5. The US Open RC Championships
  6. No Crying Let’s Race RC Boats (not to be confused with the Shut Up and Race Nationals)
  7. The Low Country Lowdown
  8. Spend Race Spend More Championships
  9. No Nitro Methanol National Challenge

But by all means, please refrain from suggesting the word INVITATIONAL in the title as that may send this thread over the top!

John and the Charleston club...no matter what you call it I'll be there!
 
Boy I can't wait to see everyone at the South Carolina US Open Low Country Lowdown No Crying Let’s Race Spend Race Spend More Fall National Championships at Charleston R/C Boat Race Invitational. :D

Sorry just couldn't bring myself to put in the no nitro part. :p

Seriously I'm sure it'll be fun & a great race no matter what. B)
 
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John,I think I am gonna get off my rear end and fill out and entry for your race. Finch, Ferrette and Speas have been twisting my arm to go with them to your race. I do have on question can I race my stock gas mono that we run under D12 rules at your race? I think I am gonna enter two classes on your entry form 1. LSG27 Mono 2. Stock Gas.

Also I think that since we have a "Winter Nats", and a "Spring Nats" why shouldn't we have a "Fall Nats" to round out the "Nats" format of races. If you keep getting grief about the title of your race you could call it the " South Eastern Regional Championships" . I have heard from several individuals that you guys put on a first class event down in your region and have a well run race event. I look forward to seeing you and some of the other racers I haven't raced against since the "98 & 99 Nats".


Steve,

The LSG stock class that we put in covers all stock boats and hulls much like the D12 has in place now and we saw in Greensboro. Not being a gas guy now I may not have the right words to convey that correctly, but that is what we are looking at doing. Did I answer it for you? BTW, Don and John have entered, Steve has yet to.

Yes, there are a number of different names possible for the race. However, the vision of the CMB club is to create a National level Championship race, preferably under IMPBA (as the majority of racers that attend belong to it) that is not currently being offered in the fall. The Spring Nats and the Internats are great events in the spring and summer, however, nothing of that level exists in the fall that all classes are welcome to run. A name reflecting that is paramount for us to achieve that goal. Any name less than will not bring that caliber of competition and accolades to IMPBA. It really relegates it to nothing more than highly promoted race and not a National level race. In our opinion, using the name National will NOT impune the prestige of the Internats - INTERNATIONAL REGATTA by it's full name. Not National. Regional will not cut it. Nor will "World" work either as that is not the goal. And the race is strictly heat race format and not modeled after either of the Internats format. There is a difference and it is huge. We DID it for the Tunnel Championships and we can do it again if IMPBA will work with us. We remain hopeful.

John
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John

Thanks for answering my questions about entering your race. I will get my form filled out and mailed down to you. I also have no problems what so ever with your club calling your race the " Fall National Championship". Thanks again and look forward to seeing you guys down there in October.
 
Guys,
Apparently there has been questions raised by some, I suspect from the old IMPBA guard, of why the CMB club has chosen to use the term "National" in association with our fall race. So for all to know, and to stop all the e mails to me personally, it has been done for the following reasons:.........

It is time for a change at the top of IMPBA. Enough of the stuff that forces conflict, and enough of this type leadership. IMPBA needs to build on its strengths rather than institute stupid rules that make people mad and divide the membership. IMPBA used to have clubs in competition to host the Internats, now we have to beg for someone to put it on. We used to have the Nats set for several years in a row.

I have been on the IMPBA Board and served for many terms and I have seen Great leadership and Terrible leadership.

Now living in Florida, I run NAMBA Events all the time. The DIFFERENCE between IMPBA and NAMBA in simple terms: The leadership in NAMBA is from the bottom up and in IMPBA it is from the top down. We NEVER have any problem with the NAMBA National Orginization, they let us run our races and don't do the stupid stuff that IMPBA is now doing from the top down.

Time to LEARN Guys...... ONLY the basic rules should be set and the regional competitors and Directors will refine them to their local liking.

Marty Davis
Hello Marty,

I haven't talked to you in a long time. After reading your post I couldn't quite figure out which side of the fence you were leaning on. I could interpret it to read in two seperate ways so I am still a little confused with parts of your comments, are you saying that John and the CMB members should not be allowed to call their race the "Fall National Championships?, or do you believe they should be allowed to call their race by this name? I could be wrong but I believe that in the past permission had to be given to the clubs who presently have the titles for the "Winter Nats" and the "Spring Nats" came from the IMPBA Board members at the time these titles were requested? I did not serve on the Board of Directors for as many distinguished years as you did but I did serve for several years and you were on the Board when I severed representing my District. I severed under two Presidents of whom I thought served the IMBPA organization very well and dealt with the many problems and issues which were present in the IMPBA at their times. Just so you will recall they were Mr. Tyndall and Mr. Grannis and I respect the efforts of both individuals for their hard work on behalf of the IMPBA organization. I also sat on the Board with another gentlemen whom I respected and had been a past President of the IMPBA by the name of Gene Taylor who gave me some solid advice while I sat on the Board. You and I had some interesting conversation on several issues during these times some of which we didn't always agree on, and some we did. My point is that both organization have their strong points and their weak points, both have Nationally set bylaws they have set forth and their membership must follow. We should not be knocking either in the head as they represent and support the thing we love to due most and that is model boating and racing. Marty as you know being a District Director can be a thankless job with people whom are mad at you no matter what you do, and I can only imagine the pressures and duties required to be taken on as being the President of either organization. The bottom line is if a member does not like the way in which the ship is being steered then they need to step up to the plate and take the bull by the horns and run for the office of District Director or President of the their respective organizations, and vote on all important matters associated with their organizations. I disagree with you again on this one with regards to the IMPBA being the lesser of the two organizations.

Steve (Sutton):

I appreciate your comments on this. I was just voicing my opinion about the things that I have seen since I was on the Board of IMPBA.

I agree with you that Dick Tyndal and Tom Grannis were superb leaders as was Bernie Bathauer. They allowed the Board to represent their Districts wishes and did not try to dictate policy. They were LEADERS.

I was commenting on the things that I have learned since I moved to Florida and had to run under the NAMBA Banner. NAMBA allows clubs and districts to administer rules based on their needs in that specific district. NAMBA for all intents and purposes governs from the bottom up and IMPBA now governs from the top down. Obviously both will work, but I am impressed to see a district be able to hold races and format them according to their wishes and needs.

As you know, I am IMPBA forever and will ALWAYS consider the IMPBA Internats Format the neatest thing that was ever though up for our hobby. We get a true National Champion every year. Not much chance of lucking into a US#1.

As for the Charleston Club: They have put on a Fall Race every year that is talked about all over the Country. I have never gone, but sent my entry in yesterday. I see no reason that they should not be able to call their race the Fall Nats or something like that. Heck, the Internats was not even going to take place until Mike Z rescued it. I stated that I remember there being a waiting list for clubs to hold the Internats. A long way from that right now.

I think that you must have misread my comments (my fault). I in no way intended to say that the IMPBA was the lesser of the orginizations. I tried a couple of times to get the two orginizations to consider merger and had little luck with that. Someday, maybe we will consolidate and be stronger because of more numbers. Who knows....

Yes, I never agreed with everyone on the Board while I was serving. Most times compromise was worked out and the good of the members served.

No, my intention was in no way to sling mud, but put things out for consideration and discussion.

Steve was right about one thing though. The RcBoat.com Listbot is not used much anymore and I have shut it down. I don't want to continue to pay a bunch of $$$ for something that is not useful.

I look forward to seeing some people that I have not seen in many years in Charleston. Can't wait.....

Marty Davis
Marty,

Thanks for clearing things up for me on your earlier post, and yes I remember having to compromise on several issues while I was on the board with you. We didn't always agree but we did get some useful things done while we were there. I will talk again with you if ya come up to the Charleston "Fall National Championship" race as I plan on attending this event.
 
Boy I can't wait to see everyone at the South Carolina US Open Low Country Lowdown No Crying Let’s Race Spend Race Spend More Fall National Championships at Charleston R/C Boat Race Invitational. :D
Sorry just couldn't bring myself to put in the no nitro part. :p

Seriously I'm sure it'll be fun & a great race no matter what. B)
Now didn't I just say we need to leave Invitational out of this? :angry: But NO...here comes just the person you would expect flapping his 10-fingered trap (well maybe two-fingered trap as he may not know how to type) looking to stir up the pot! :huh: Way to be Don, way to be! :lol:
 
Guys,
Apparently there has been questions raised by some, I suspect from the old IMPBA guard, of why the CMB club has chosen to use the term "National" in association with our fall race. So for all to know, and to stop all the e mails to me personally, it has been done for the following reasons:.........

It is time for a change at the top of IMPBA. Enough of the stuff that forces conflict, and enough of this type leadership. IMPBA needs to build on its strengths rather than institute stupid rules that make people mad and divide the membership. IMPBA used to have clubs in competition to host the Internats, now we have to beg for someone to put it on. We used to have the Nats set for several years in a row.

I have been on the IMPBA Board and served for many terms and I have seen Great leadership and Terrible leadership.

Now living in Florida, I run NAMBA Events all the time. The DIFFERENCE between IMPBA and NAMBA in simple terms: The leadership in NAMBA is from the bottom up and in IMPBA it is from the top down. We NEVER have any problem with the NAMBA National Orginization, they let us run our races and don't do the stupid stuff that IMPBA is now doing from the top down.

Time to LEARN Guys...... ONLY the basic rules should be set and the regional competitors and Directors will refine them to their local liking.

Marty Davis
Hello Marty,

I haven't talked to you in a long time. After reading your post I couldn't quite figure out which side of the fence you were leaning on. I could interpret it to read in two seperate ways so I am still a little confused with parts of your comments, are you saying that John and the CMB members should not be allowed to call their race the "Fall National Championships?, or do you believe they should be allowed to call their race by this name? I could be wrong but I believe that in the past permission had to be given to the clubs who presently have the titles for the "Winter Nats" and the "Spring Nats" came from the IMPBA Board members at the time these titles were requested? I did not serve on the Board of Directors for as many distinguished years as you did but I did serve for several years and you were on the Board when I severed representing my District. I severed under two Presidents of whom I thought served the IMBPA organization very well and dealt with the many problems and issues which were present in the IMPBA at their times. Just so you will recall they were Mr. Tyndall and Mr. Grannis and I respect the efforts of both individuals for their hard work on behalf of the IMPBA organization. I also sat on the Board with another gentlemen whom I respected and had been a past President of the IMPBA by the name of Gene Taylor who gave me some solid advice while I sat on the Board. You and I had some interesting conversation on several issues during these times some of which we didn't always agree on, and some we did. My point is that both organization have their strong points and their weak points, both have Nationally set bylaws they have set forth and their membership must follow. We should not be knocking either in the head as they represent and support the thing we love to due most and that is model boating and racing. Marty as you know being a District Director can be a thankless job with people whom are mad at you no matter what you do, and I can only imagine the pressures and duties required to be taken on as being the President of either organization. The bottom line is if a member does not like the way in which the ship is being steered then they need to step up to the plate and take the bull by the horns and run for the office of District Director or President of the their respective organizations, and vote on all important matters associated with their organizations. I disagree with you again on this one with regards to the IMPBA being the lesser of the two organizations.

Steve (Sutton):

I appreciate your comments on this. I was just voicing my opinion about the things that I have seen since I was on the Board of IMPBA.

I agree with you that Dick Tyndal and Tom Grannis were superb leaders as was Bernie Bathauer. They allowed the Board to represent their Districts wishes and did not try to dictate policy. They were LEADERS.

I was commenting on the things that I have learned since I moved to Florida and had to run under the NAMBA Banner. NAMBA allows clubs and districts to administer rules based on their needs in that specific district. NAMBA for all intents and purposes governs from the bottom up and IMPBA now governs from the top down. Obviously both will work, but I am impressed to see a district be able to hold races and format them according to their wishes and needs.

As you know, I am IMPBA forever and will ALWAYS consider the IMPBA Internats Format the neatest thing that was ever though up for our hobby. We get a true National Champion every year. Not much chance of lucking into a US#1.

As for the Charleston Club: They have put on a Fall Race every year that is talked about all over the Country. I have never gone, but sent my entry in yesterday. I see no reason that they should not be able to call their race the Fall Nats or something like that. Heck, the Internats was not even going to take place until Mike Z rescued it. I stated that I remember there being a waiting list for clubs to hold the Internats. A long way from that right now.

I think that you must have misread my comments (my fault). I in no way intended to say that the IMPBA was the lesser of the orginizations. I tried a couple of times to get the two orginizations to consider merger and had little luck with that. Someday, maybe we will consolidate and be stronger because of more numbers. Who knows....

Yes, I never agreed with everyone on the Board while I was serving. Most times compromise was worked out and the good of the members served.

No, my intention was in no way to sling mud, but put things out for consideration and discussion.

Steve was right about one thing though. The RcBoat.com Listbot is not used much anymore and I have shut it down. I don't want to continue to pay a bunch of $$$ for something that is not useful.

I look forward to seeing some people that I have not seen in many years in Charleston. Can't wait.....

Marty Davis
Marty,

Thanks for clearing things up for me on your earlier post, and yes I remember having to compromise on several issues while I was on the board with you. We didn't always agree but we did get some useful things done while we were there. I will talk again with you if ya come up to the Charleston "Fall National Championship" race as I plan on attending this event.

Steve:

Sent my entry in yesterday....for the Charleston Fall Nationals :rolleyes:

Marty Davis
 
I seldom agree with Marty. But I will agree that the IMPBA is Ready for Some New Leadership! We are currently lead by the small Piston Boaters that are more interested in retail sales than FULL BORE - All Out Competiton! The Competition is what drives a boater to spent/travel to great distances to compete with others.
Joe.. please expand on this for us if you would :huh: :huh: :huh:

Mike Z
Mike. What part don`t you understand? I would like to keep all post positive! No negative spewing!! Maybe we need to talk off line? jw
 
Boy I can't wait to see everyone at the South Carolina US Open Low Country Lowdown No Crying Let’s Race Spend Race Spend More Fall National Championships at Charleston R/C Boat Race Invitational. :D
Sorry just couldn't bring myself to put in the no nitro part. :p

Seriously I'm sure it'll be fun & a great race no matter what. B)
Now didn't I just say we need to leave Invitational out of this? :angry: But NO...here comes just the person you would expect flapping his 10-fingered trap (well maybe two-fingered trap as he may not know how to type) looking to stir up the pot! :huh: Way to be Don, way to be! :lol:
ROFLMAO!!!!!

Sometimes there seems to be a few who forget we do this for FUN!!!

One must always try to keep one's sense of humor when all about them are losing theirs. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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Boy I can't wait to see everyone at the South Carolina US Open Low Country Lowdown No Crying Let’s Race Spend Race Spend More Fall National Championships at Charleston R/C Boat Race Invitational. :D
Sorry just couldn't bring myself to put in the no nitro part. :p

Seriously I'm sure it'll be fun & a great race no matter what. B)
Now didn't I just say we need to leave Invitational out of this? :angry: But NO...here comes just the person you would expect flapping his 10-fingered trap (well maybe two-fingered trap as he may not know how to type) looking to stir up the pot! :huh: Way to be Don, way to be! :lol:

I just want to know how your gonna get all that on one tee shirt Don ?? :p ;) or does the drivers have half of it and the pit man have the other half on their tee shirts??

Andy
 
I seldom agree with Marty. But I will agree that the IMPBA is Ready for Some New Leadership! We are currently lead by the small Piston Boaters that are more interested in retail sales than FULL BORE - All Out Competiton! The Competition is what drives a boater to spent/travel to great distances to compete with others. The Atlanta Spring Nats will yield a better boat count(Over 300) than any other race in 2008. Call it what you want?? But Most know where to go to find the Finest Competition in R/C boat racing. Hopefully Charelston can grow to be a equal Quality race of Atlanta Spring nats.. Rock On Atlanta! Good Luck Charelston.. My personal favorite is Evansvile Indianna. Great Hard working Club lead by Mike Schindler that loves to race!!
Joe:

I didn't know that we seldom agree... :eek:

I am POSITIVE that you will agree that we all should be celebrating Ralph Almirola's Son Aric is going to be driving the #8 car full time In NASCAR Cup next year. We will have a direct connection and someone to root for next year.

Marty Davis
Marty, Yes it will be interesting to see Aric Wheel the the DEI #8 for 09 season. He is a Young gun wanting to go to the front!! Hopefully Martin truex will stay to make it a team effort! Neither Martin Truex or Aric ... have gotten the chance to strut their stuff yet. jw
 
Boy I can't wait to see everyone at the South Carolina US Open Low Country Lowdown No Crying Let’s Race Spend Race Spend More Fall National Championships at Charleston R/C Boat Race Invitational. :D
Sorry just couldn't bring myself to put in the no nitro part. :p

Seriously I'm sure it'll be fun & a great race no matter what. B)

:lol: I like it... can it just be abreviated for the shirts though. SCUSOLCLNCLRSRSMFNCaCRCBRI would fit easier on a shirt i can wear... not sure id feel comfortable wearing a XXXL to get the full name, might trip on the shirt walking up to the drivers stand :eek:
 
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Boy I can't wait to see everyone at the South Carolina US Open Low Country Lowdown No Crying Let’s Race Spend Race Spend More Fall National Championships at Charleston R/C Boat Race Invitational. :D

Man,

Guess we'll have to increase the cost of the trophy sponsorships from $65 to $85 to put the extra lettering on them. LOL.
 
I seldom agree with Marty. But I will agree that the IMPBA is Ready for Some New Leadership! We are currently lead by the small Piston Boaters that are more interested in retail sales than FULL BORE - All Out Competiton! The Competition is what drives a boater to spent/travel to great distances to compete with others.
Joe.. please expand on this for us if you would :huh: :huh: :huh:

Mike Z
Mike. What part don`t you understand? I would like to keep all post positive! No negative spewing!! Maybe we need to talk off line? jw

Joe,

Simple question..

Let me quote "We are currently lead by the small Piston Boaters that are more interested in retail sales than FULL BORE - All Out Competition! "

You are saying the current head of the IMPBA is not interested in racing (FULL BORE – All Out Competition) but rather selling stuff….. WHAT?.. Patches???? I don’t think ANYBODY HERE believes that... Im confused..

Now selling memberships.. I get that.. but that did not come out of your message… past that point im not sure what the IMPBA has to sell..

If that’s what you said and you meant something else let us/me know.. Might just be my misunderstanding..

Joe.. lets be honest man.. clear the air… that’s not what you meant was it.. spill the beans on what’s bothering you man.. it will make ya feel better..

Here is what I think…

Joe you are a hard core racer.. so am I.. I suspect your love for the hobby is no less then mine. FACT.. You run large boats.. Others do to.. (me too) but we are all facing issues with acquiring product, particularly engines.. No question that has been weighing heavy on lots of us for some time now. Andy is doing all he can to help and Stu is here for us as well.. thank goodness these guys care.

The outlooks is dismal for the larger engine classes and I suspect Andy knows this full well.(Sorry for dragging you in Andy). If he can not come out with an engine that is at least the same cost as CMB he faces a hardship with the product, his lifestyle and heck his passion. Then.. we all suffer…He also has the experience MOST of us in the RC boat racing hobby don’t have.. Bringing a product to market and making it a success. The dollar risks are VERY HIGH.

Looks like it up to you Andy… the pressures on.. KIDDING…

Engines are just an example..

Fuel

Plugs

Cost of gas

Super fast FE boats with seemingly endless power

Gas making fantastic headway in racing

All this stuff needs to be supported..

Bring in today’s marketplace and TYPICAL RC guy.. TRUTH.. people WANT IT NOW.. yea we are experts in this.. we do follow the trends and some we even set.. but (I Think) you are not to keen on having US… involved in RC boating and I don’t know why.. that is the bottom line. We are in the market as a business but im in it as a racer.

Take it for what its worth and have a good 2008 racing season.

ROCK ON

Mike Z

Grim
 
I seldom agree with Marty. But I will agree that the IMPBA is Ready for Some New Leadership! We are currently lead by the small Piston Boaters that are more interested in retail sales than FULL BORE - All Out Competiton! The Competition is what drives a boater to spent/travel to great distances to compete with others.
Joe.. please expand on this for us if you would :huh: :huh: :huh:

Mike Z
Mike. What part don`t you understand? I would like to keep all post positive! No negative spewing!! Maybe we need to talk off line? jw

Joe,

Simple question..

Let me quote "We are currently lead by the small Piston Boaters that are more interested in retail sales than FULL BORE - All Out Competition! "

You are saying the current head of the IMPBA is not interested in racing (FULL BORE – All Out Competition) but rather selling stuff….. WHAT?.. Patches???? I don't think ANYBODY HERE believes that... Im confused..

Now selling memberships.. I get that.. but that did not come out of your message… past that point im not sure what the IMPBA has to sell..

If that's what you said and you meant something else let us/me know.. Might just be my misunderstanding..

Joe.. lets be honest man.. clear the air… that's not what you meant was it.. spill the beans on what's bothering you man.. it will make ya feel better..

Here is what I think…

Joe you are a hard core racer.. so am I.. I suspect your love for the hobby is no less then mine. FACT.. You run large boats.. Others do to.. (me too) but we are all facing issues with acquiring product, particularly engines.. No question that has been weighing heavy on lots of us for some time now. Andy is doing all he can to help and Stu is here for us as well.. thank goodness these guys care.

The outlooks is dismal for the larger engine classes and I suspect Andy knows this full well.(Sorry for dragging you in Andy). If he can not come out with an engine that is at least the same cost as CMB he faces a hardship with the product, his lifestyle and heck his passion. Then.. we all suffer…He also has the experience MOST of us in the RC boat racing hobby don't have.. Bringing a product to market and making it a success. The dollar risks are VERY HIGH.

Looks like it up to you Andy… the pressures on.. KIDDING…

Engines are just an example..

Fuel

Plugs

Cost of gas

Super fast FE boats with seemingly endless power

Gas making fantastic headway in racing

All this stuff needs to be supported..

Bring in today's marketplace and TYPICAL RC guy.. TRUTH.. people WANT IT NOW.. yea we are experts in this.. we do follow the trends and some we even set.. but (I Think) you are not to keen on having US… involved in RC boating and I don't know why.. that is the bottom line. We are in the market as a business but im in it as a racer.

Take it for what its worth and have a good 2008 racing season.

ROCK ON

Mike Z

Grim
Mike You want to call me I can send you my personal phone number. I will Not get into a negative debate on I/W about the problems of the IMPBA. I would like to see some new leadership & new ideas to the current problems. Many other boaters would also. I promote R/C boating within a few diff clubs of IMPBA. Always have & will. I have given away stuff for a Good cause from Center FL back to the Gulf coast & GA to Indiana. 300 plus boats entered in Ga in April. Over 200 entered just 8 weeks later in Evansville. Tells me people will travel even @ todays high cost, if there is a Good time to be had @ the Event!!! Charelston is doing a Great job advertising there event very early.. Reguardless of what ever it will be called. (NO Big Deal or MO Money Racing?) I started traveling to R/C boat Races to meet & compete against some of the best in the country. Names of John/Andy Brown, Marty Davis, Craig Harris,Jerry Crowther,Lenny Blake, Ralph Almirola,Stu/John barr, Bill Mcgraw, Stan Simpson, These are the people that Boaters wanted to measure their own boats against. Today many of these boaters are missing from todays Nats Events. You got to bring in the Top level of Competition to make the others want to come. If not.. there is No measuring device! Good Luck with the nats! You can DO IT! :) jw
 
If you want to talk about the IMPBA vs NAMBA subject start a new post please! this post is about the CMB race not about your personal problems If you want to talk about it please start another thread on that subject.

Thanks,

Gavin
 
Cousin Cooter................Don't worry. Some people want most to think that they can not hear.

I an VERY SURE the Message has been heard!!! <_< <_<
 
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John,

Just wondering if you have received my entry? I mailed it while on a trip out west from the airport. Do you think you might post a list of persons entered and classes with the amounts of racer per class?

Had a great time at last years Fall National. You all ran a fantastic event, really looking forward to this race…..Blaise
 
John,
Just wondering if you have received my entry? I mailed it while on a trip out west from the airport. Do you think you might post a list of persons entered and classes with the amounts of racer per class?

Had a great time at last years Fall National. You all ran a fantastic event, really looking forward to this race…..Blaise

Blaise,

Your entry has been received. I intend on posting the racers that have entered and the class count as well soon. Thanks for the compliments and looking forward to you coming again.

John
 
"I started traveling to R/C boat Races to meet & compete against some of the best in the country. Names of John/Andy Brown, Marty Davis, Craig Harris,Jerry Crowther,Lenny Blake, Ralph Almirola,Stu/John barr, Bill Mcgraw, Stan Simpson, These are the people that Boaters wanted to measure their own boats against. Today many of these boaters are missing from todays Nats Events. You got to bring in the Top level of Competition to make the others want to come. If not.. there is No measuring device! Good Luck with the nats! You can DO IT! smile.gif jw"

:( he left me out :p and i got a BIG PISTON TOO!
 
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