I'd looked at my old emails. Found Rogers before his death. Told me plan #172 should/will work for the 07 U-1 Oberto. Thats the Boat I really really want to build.The problem with the 1999 Miss Madison is that the plan set I got from Roger is for the Bud T-2 with a slightly modified color sheet. The plans are fairly close for when the boat was first built as Ron Jones used a lot of Bud features in the 8806 hull. The problem starts in 1990, when the boat was redone to run turbine power. The plans I got from Roger are now only guidelines as I had to redesign the whole boat except the sponsons to make it close to accurate. The boat now has a 22" rear picklefork with the tails mounted on top of the shoes with the trailing edge even with the shoe transom at deck level. The bottom is also totally different from what the T-2/3 has. I would almost have to redraw the plans as I built the boat and send them to you to digitize. Two other things I did were resize the tunnel as the Madison's is 84" wide and not the generally accepted 88" of the T-2/3 (I measured) and made the bullnoses at scale width. This narrowed the engine bay so that all the commercially made cowls won't fit. Are you sure you would want to tackle my redesigned Madison?
As for the Oberto, it's based on the T-5 and Elam, not the T-6. I got plans for the T-5 prior to Roger's death and he told me a few things that need to be done to make the plans work. I'm waiting for August so I can get the rest of the dimensions I need to redraw some of the frames ACCURATELY for the Oberto. I know the canoes are WRONG, just not sure how wrong. The botttom is also wrong, mostly in dimensions of panels, again requiring some redesign. Can you tell I go for perfect B)
Mike, I don't really see what the issue could be. Your not selling the plans. The plans are mainly a starting point. Possibly an email or call to David Newton would clear things up? The way I see it, your building the boat kit may encourage more people to buy the 3-view plans for the color schemes from David Newton (Newton Marine) and everyone wins. When I do a boat, even if its a glass version like a muck (my Miss US) or Mcintyre hull (Bardahl) like I have done or am doing, I always get the 3-view plans from Newton.....
There is no infringement! You are not selling the plans you are selling frame kits. This is just like many kit cutters in the rc airplane hobby. People will still need to purchase plans for assembly and painting. As stated above, there are several boats available as fiberglass hulls that are built directly from Newton plans including Mr Thomas' new Joe's hull and Mr Guilitieri's T-6 hull that is soon to arrive. Moreover, if anyone has attempted to use Newton plans one would recognize that they serve a a starting point and that modifications need to be made to make the boats square and to make the parts fit. We also must remember that Mr. Newton goal in designing the plans was to help the rest of us enjoy the wonderful hobby of racing scale hydro's. What Mike is doing is allowing others to experience Mr Newton's passion, by making the build up of these boats easier and in turn lowering one of the barriers to entry in the class.
Yup Spot on, the copyright protects the work of another individual. The thing that is being sold here is a boat kit not plans. Now if somebody copies the bolat kit as opposed to the plans, for sale to the public then the copyright battle is back on again.
