Noise Commentary in IMPBA Roostertail

Well what a nice job from the "pro noise" group having Doc Turner write his little commentary & close by saying since we are not subjected to continuous 95dB for 4 hours we're not exceeding OSHA limits & don't need a rule change. What a TOTAL cherry picking of facts. The whole point is to get down to under 95dB so as to not damage your hearing over 3 days of racing. How someone cannot classify that as "continuous exposure" is a joke in itself. Let's look at the OSHA noise level limits-

http://www.boringbars.net/Os.htm

Now look a little further down the chart, as the dB goes up a little the exposure times drop off dramatically. Once you are over 100 exposure time is nil, OSHA even requires hearing protection for continuous exposures over 85dB. A single unmuffled G23 will easily produce over 105 dB. I have metered a 60 mono using those "cheater muffler cones" at over 115dB & unmuffled twins are even worse. I have personally done extensive hands on TESTING with dB meters, not basing things on theories & such. We have found less than a dB change difference from running in "lane #1" to "cutting the weeds" along the shoreline so don't tell me you can't accurately measure, that's pure B.S!!

It's time to cut the crap & level the field. Set the limit & be done with it. How you get there is up to you.

Don, You must be an Expert........ Gary Turner is DR. GARY TURNER to you. & Yes he is on the (AMA) AMERICAN MEDICAL BOARD. JUST EXACTLY WHAT ARE YOU STATS IN THIS FIELD????? YOU DONT HAVE ANY????? HOW CAN YOU BE A DB EXPERT?? BETTTER GO BACK TO SCHOOL.. I SAY YOUR MOUTH TURNS MORE RPM THAT YOUR BOATS... JOE W.

Joe I know who Doc Turner is. I also know what I have seen by FACTUAL HANDS ON TESTING, not a bunch of "theories". Just like a radar gun, the dB meter gives you REAL WORLD NUMBERS. No theories, no half truths or partial useage of established regulations. Like Andy told you a while back on "that other board" if you want to make noise go buy a cannon. <_<

i agree with you don. the problem is people dont like change for better or worse. i cant believe that someone would say one thing and mean another. i work as a deisel mechanic and OSHA requires us to wear ear protection for a 20 min. tire change. and of that the gun runs for about 7 min. the db limit on the gun is 125. now if OSHA would require this then how can doc turner suggest no change to the rule. if you dont want to grow then get out!!

Look at the real world. Spend 8 or more hours working in the pits being a pit boss or CD and you'll get an earful of noise with the 92 dB at 50 foot boats getting a large dose of fumes and noise.

Joe, I know lots of doctors unfortunately. My Cardiologist knows hearts but not much else as I have learned.

I have yet to get my latest copy of the Roostertail but my question is, why would anybody want to be Pro-noise? Lose your race site because of some neighbors complaining about having thier quiet Sundays disturbed then we don't want to hear it (if we can) crying and whining.

BTW, I'm not a Doctor and don't play one on TV either, just a Factory Rat who wears earplugs constantly at work with my hearing checked annually.

Sign your name "Joe W".

That would be Joe Warren.................. <_<

His first posting in here and raising Hell. I know a Joe W. but wouldn't think that it would be him, especially by his last line to Don. Nothing at all in his Profile, this is the type of person that should be booted from here if they don't fill in at least some basic info. How about a last name? A city where you live? An age?

I tried to download the April Roostertail with no luck try both the Adobe and html versions.

I find it difficult to see a Doctor not wanting a noise reduction.

Im Pro Muff, Fact the more Muff the better :lol:

Nah.......... I just dont see what the problem is, There is no loss runnin a muffled pipe so like the Nike add says

"Just do it"

Gene

Don, You must be an Expert........ Gary Turner is DR. GARY TURNER to you. & Yes he is on the (AMA) AMERICAN MEDICAL BOARD. JUST EXACTLY WHAT ARE YOU STATS IN THIS FIELD????? YOU DONT HAVE ANY????? HOW CAN YOU BE A DB EXPERT?? BETTTER GO BACK TO SCHOOL.. I SAY YOUR MOUTH TURNS MORE RPM THAT YOUR BOATS... JOE W.

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"Joe" the fool,

You don't have to be an expert to hold a db meter in you hand.

The doc is an expert and look what it got him a mdecal statis to play with our hearing.

DB I DON'T HEAR ANYTHING :lol: :lol: :lol:

I feel sorry for you guys in IMPBA. You have so much trouble trying to make the sport better. This noise issue has been going on for years now, and still no end in sight. I remember when I switched to NAMBA in 96, the 95 db rule was in place. We had something vary simialiar in APBA. Why has it taken so long? Maybe you guys that want the noise rule should change to NAMBA and let the loud guys kill IMPBA.

Mike

PRESTON... WHO YOU CALLING A FOOL??? I DID NOT SLING ANY MUD. BUT I KNOW HOW....... BOY!! YOU ARE WAY OF TOPIC. KEEP TO THE POINT........ SEEMS THE BEST THING YOU DO IS DISCREDIT OTHERS ....... DO YOU OWN ANY BOATS?

Europe has like i already said soooo many times 80 - 82 db's , and thats alread loud , don't know why people don't wanna make less noise with their boats , neighbours will be pleased !!!!!!!!!! and , there is almost no loss in power so ?

Ask Andy , or alan , they race here on the WC and , they both know its going fast too overhere

regards ,

Bart

The bottom line is we are losing lakes because of noise regardless of how many db's it is 55,95, or 105. Someone complained about the noisy boats and POOF the lake is gone. THIS DOESN'T REQUIRE SOMEONE WITH A PHD TO FIGURE THIS OUT! <_< Most of us who love this sport/hobby are professionals and responsible adults so let us make the KNUCKLEHEADS in the sport see the big picture! If we don't all those pretty boats will be static models sitting on a wall or mantle. I say we get rid of those ARSESS who refuse to change whether it be prez of the organization or the DUFUS who runs on your insured lake without a muffler then we can set a rule that we all can enjoy and race equally under. I say we put these MORONS in the spotlight and name names and clubs and deal with them where it counts in the pocket by boycotting events, or by not allowing the DUFUS to race or practice with us anymore. We must make the districts accountable for ANYONE losing a place to run without trying to reduce noise.

Funny isn't it? I did two things- presented the OSHA chart in it's ENTIRETY for all to see & the dB readings we've obtained. No smoke, no mirrors, no half truths, just FACTS. It's not rocket science, do the math, you go over 100dB & the exposure time aint squat!!! Unmuffled gas motors are running 105 to 110dB (& higher in some tests), FACT. Big nitro & twins unmuffled are louder, FACT. The MAXIMUM exposure time for 110dB is 30 minutes & 15 minutes for 115dB, FACT! The meter doesn't lie & it doesn't take a PhD to use & understand one. Yet the few who are in MINORITY like Mr. Warren can't come up with any legitimate reason not to do this other than they don't want to! WELL TOUGH LUCK!!

Actually, 'ol Doc Turner unknowingly has only further reinforced the need for the 95dB limit in his Roostertail Commentary & I quote-

"Also we do not exceed OSHA levels is not continuous 95dB for 4 hours"

Yes that will be absolutely correct with a 95dB limit in place ........... DUH!!!!

Gee, every race I've been to runs 6 to 8 hours CONTINUOUSLY!

And one more thing, I have conferred with numerous HEARING SPECIALISTS (that would be doctors for you Joe W.) who have ALL said that when you have that "ringing" in your ears after 2 or 3 days of racing YOU HAVE ALREADY DONE PERMANENT DAMAGE TO YOUR HEARING!!! <_<

The ringing in your ears, it's called Tinnitus.

Does Preston own any boats? :lol: :lol: :lol:

We can ***** all day about the noise issue yet Clubs ignore other rules concerning other areas of safety. Why aren't these addressed? Who's going to drive over a Hundred miles to a race and not race because the safety netting is not properly placed or they don't have any fire extinguishers in the pits for Gas boats?

Ron Olson said:

We can ***** all day about the noise issue yet Clubs ignore other rules concerning other areas of safety. Why aren't these addressed? Who's going to drive over a Hundred miles to a race and not race because the safety netting is not properly placed or they don't have any fire extinguishers in the pits for Gas boats?

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This you will not see at any district #12 races, I can tell that for sure!! B)

One thing is for sure. This has been going on for a long time. My first race was the 1990 spring Nats in Atlanta....14 years ago. At the drivers meeting on Saturday an officer of the IMPBA spoke to everyone over the PA, saying "Why...Why can't we decided on a noise rule?" You know, if they had made a decision back then we would not be having this problem....and more people would have figured out better ways to make a boat run fast and quiet. I don't like to see anything get over regulated but here are a couple more for the fact sheet.....

I have seen boats with quiet pipes haul mortal A$$ and outrun the loud boats.

Mercury Marine has proven in extensive testing at Lake X that a boat at speed "appears" to be going faster when it is making more noise even when it is actually going slower (they invited the public for input on this)....and I think this is why some RC racers don't want to hush their dang boat.

DB readings don't take a rocket scientist

Where I test my boats there are no restrictions of any kind. I cannot be run off of my water even if someone complains......but, if I have to quiet it down to race or run on a club pond then I don't have a problem with it.

I will admit I have been on the other side of this because I hate to see over regulation in recreation and hobby. But 14 years?? Why can't we make a decision?

Mark

Don Ferrette said:

Funny isn't it? I did two things- presented the OSHA chart in it's ENTIRETY for all to see & the dB readings we've obtained. No smoke, no mirrors, no half truths, just FACTS. It's not rocket science, do the math, you go over 100dB & the exposure time aint squat!!! Unmuffled gas motors are running 105 to 110dB (& higher in some tests), FACT. Big nitro & twins unmuffled are louder, FACT. The MAXIMUM exposure time for 110dB is 30 minutes & 15 minutes for 115dB, FACT! The meter doesn't lie & it doesn't take a PhD to use & understand one. Yet the few who are in MINORITY like Mr. Warren can't come up with any legitimate reason not to do this other than they don't want to! WELL TOUGH LUCK!!
Actually, 'ol Doc Turner unknowingly has only further reinforced the need for the 95dB limit in his Roostertail Commentary & I quote-

"Also we do not exceed OSHA levels is not continuous 95dB for 4 hours"

Yes that will be absolutely correct with a 95dB limit in place ........... DUH!!!!

Gee, every race I've been to runs 6 to 8 hours CONTINUOUSLY!

And one more thing, I have conferred with numerous HEARING SPECIALISTS (that would be doctors for you Joe W.) who have ALL said that when you have that "ringing" in your ears after 2 or 3 days of racing YOU HAVE ALREADY DONE PERMANENT DAMAGE TO YOUR HEARING!!! <_<

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Don, your comments must be falling on deaf ears! Fotunately, most of use have enough since to know what causes hearing damage. For IMPBA to piblish Doc Turner's commentary seems wrong to me. I'm disapointed that he would offer an openion without study results.