Re motor comparo - no it is a $65 motor. Which nitro motor can you buy for $65 without carb which will run as fast. A carb, pipe, header, muffler bracket, engine mounts, fuel tank header will cost more than an ESC. Batteries are fuel cost. Didnt we cost this out a couple of years ago?
But I am trying to make a point. People are criticising the electrics and I think for the time available equipment, experience they did well and took it all on the chin. I am very disappointed the IC guys commenting didnt take a moment to balance criticism with appropriate acknowledgement.
I watched the racing carefully today at HVMMC - In a day of racing I did not see one race where more than 66% of boats finished. Electrics at HVC were better than that yet got dissed for reliability.
I agree on the nitro course but 5 laps can be done.
Getting out of a nitro racers way - why? As an AMPBA member I pay the same fees and cop much more skepticim. It has taken 5 years to get enough guys in one place at one time to be "allowed" to race a sanctioned class. I will not say anything to relinguish that opportunity. That said I wont put an electric boat in competition till I am certain it is solid as a rock.
At any level I will be running brushless on nitro ovals. LSH/12 cell is a great entry class. With 6 more cells they can run faster and cooler and do times near a 3.5 mono By using an X438 the boat will do five laps at higher speeds and cooler due to higher efficiency, lower weight and the same or lower amps. You could go to 2200's and get more gains from lighter weight.
I will be running brushless at HVMMC. The nearest LSH is Sydney where I would run an LSH/Mono. This is what I meant about flexible. At all levels of boat racing whether its UIM APBA or AMPBA classes tend to cluster in regions rather than have an even spread. I would work with that.
Its ok to identify classes for national but what are your criteria for selection? Is it representative hull as suggested by David, or race time? (David riggers will run away from scale hydros like scales will run from monos)
Using a non-competition criteria such as "what is available" is going to get us what we have. I would aim higher, if only in cell count. Aspire a little and reap the dividend.
Which rules do you want to update? I have a draft which essentially says run the same hulls as nitro ie sport 21 sport 40 1/8. and equates cells and cc’s. (Actually if you do equate cells to CC & start with 12c =3.5cc – u would run 24c for 7.5cc and 36 cells for 11cc. and I guess 2*32 for 15cc
On the other hand 12 cell bl is running 65kph. 5 laps is only a matter of setup. Instead of an Octura X400 series go to a Graupner cf – theya re like an M series and pull fewer amps.
At nationals clearly we are expected to be more reliable than nitro. We will turn heads with speed.
I was at HV today and no radio problems – Why because the radio I used at HV Champs had a dicky transmitter (throttle channel). Took ages to identify it. Changed transmitter = no glitches. If you have radio probs at HV Champs make sure you can complete a successful range check with yours .
BTW the idea of having to have 5 boats a class is laughable. 5 entries for a class is what is the rules require. Next big meet I am counting how many races actually start with 5 boats in the heat. We could have a raffle to see who can guess closest.
David have you got a schulze? U can program reverse on most of them.
BTW I am going to have Hacker B508XL’s on market soon and EMs and good price Megas are coming back. They are better than Feigaos and cost the same in practice.
Tried a Neu in the 12 cell mono today - vs the hacker it seems very good,importantly for my particular boat it is also alittle lighter - now if I could get some flex hexes@! The one eight ran well till it blew off in a flat spin after 4 and 3/4 laps full tilt - no damage the cells didnt even shake loose I would say it is good for 7-10 laps. The speed was adequate. The handling satisfactory. It made me happy. Lots of "wish it had done that at the HV's" comments.
But I am trying to make a point. People are criticising the electrics and I think for the time available equipment, experience they did well and took it all on the chin. I am very disappointed the IC guys commenting didnt take a moment to balance criticism with appropriate acknowledgement.
I watched the racing carefully today at HVMMC - In a day of racing I did not see one race where more than 66% of boats finished. Electrics at HVC were better than that yet got dissed for reliability.
I agree on the nitro course but 5 laps can be done.
Getting out of a nitro racers way - why? As an AMPBA member I pay the same fees and cop much more skepticim. It has taken 5 years to get enough guys in one place at one time to be "allowed" to race a sanctioned class. I will not say anything to relinguish that opportunity. That said I wont put an electric boat in competition till I am certain it is solid as a rock.
At any level I will be running brushless on nitro ovals. LSH/12 cell is a great entry class. With 6 more cells they can run faster and cooler and do times near a 3.5 mono By using an X438 the boat will do five laps at higher speeds and cooler due to higher efficiency, lower weight and the same or lower amps. You could go to 2200's and get more gains from lighter weight.
I will be running brushless at HVMMC. The nearest LSH is Sydney where I would run an LSH/Mono. This is what I meant about flexible. At all levels of boat racing whether its UIM APBA or AMPBA classes tend to cluster in regions rather than have an even spread. I would work with that.
Its ok to identify classes for national but what are your criteria for selection? Is it representative hull as suggested by David, or race time? (David riggers will run away from scale hydros like scales will run from monos)
Using a non-competition criteria such as "what is available" is going to get us what we have. I would aim higher, if only in cell count. Aspire a little and reap the dividend.
Which rules do you want to update? I have a draft which essentially says run the same hulls as nitro ie sport 21 sport 40 1/8. and equates cells and cc’s. (Actually if you do equate cells to CC & start with 12c =3.5cc – u would run 24c for 7.5cc and 36 cells for 11cc. and I guess 2*32 for 15cc
On the other hand 12 cell bl is running 65kph. 5 laps is only a matter of setup. Instead of an Octura X400 series go to a Graupner cf – theya re like an M series and pull fewer amps.
At nationals clearly we are expected to be more reliable than nitro. We will turn heads with speed.
I was at HV today and no radio problems – Why because the radio I used at HV Champs had a dicky transmitter (throttle channel). Took ages to identify it. Changed transmitter = no glitches. If you have radio probs at HV Champs make sure you can complete a successful range check with yours .
BTW the idea of having to have 5 boats a class is laughable. 5 entries for a class is what is the rules require. Next big meet I am counting how many races actually start with 5 boats in the heat. We could have a raffle to see who can guess closest.
David have you got a schulze? U can program reverse on most of them.
BTW I am going to have Hacker B508XL’s on market soon and EMs and good price Megas are coming back. They are better than Feigaos and cost the same in practice.
Tried a Neu in the 12 cell mono today - vs the hacker it seems very good,importantly for my particular boat it is also alittle lighter - now if I could get some flex hexes@! The one eight ran well till it blew off in a flat spin after 4 and 3/4 laps full tilt - no damage the cells didnt even shake loose I would say it is good for 7-10 laps. The speed was adequate. The handling satisfactory. It made me happy. Lots of "wish it had done that at the HV's" comments.
