SEADUCER MONO

[impba3548]

One more point of interest is that back in my beginning days all hints of a hook had to be removed, a hook in a boat was a cardinal sin period!! That said I very much agree with John. Another thing I did was take that upholstery cutter off the right side, I can see no difference without it, my son removed his & it doesnt seem to make any difference either......... I look at that fin as trying to steer an automobile with only one front wheel and having the other one fixed straight ahead. All that does is equate to a loss in speed as its drag, the fin working against the rudder in the turns.

Opinions again ha!!

mike

 

[Capt Ron]

my electric pool toy version of the SD3 Seaducer runs purdy good...

signed,

Hooked on Seaducers :blink:

 

[Terry Flynn]

This thread is of great interest to me as I have the very same problem with .20 Seaducer that has been built by Jerry, The boat just won't loosen up and it bearly gets over 64 MPH

I wanna see that boat with a big slot where the stuffing tube comes out, bring it to Flint in May...

What are you trying to do call me out LOL.

 

[Preston_Hall]

It seems many are focused on the staright line speed. A Seaducer is good there but I have not seen anything that will turn with it.

 

[gil sonsino]

Well I must consider all points of view here and will try it again before work on the hook if necessary....let's see with the new set up!

Thanks a lot for this great trading and will post the results next wednesday(it's holliday here)

Gill ....riggerman :lol:

 

[F.Orlic]

It seems many are focused on the staright line speed. A Seaducer is good there but I have not seen anything that will turn with it.

Unfortunately problems with straight line running do carry over to how the boat corners. Because the boat is running wet (3/4 lenght) it wants to go straight or weer left and as it exits the turn it will hook and take a dive. Again this only starts to happen at 48-49 MPH + but becomes bad at 55 +

I still believe Seaducer is a great heat racing boat that can be used for SAW as well.

I'm sure with a little bit of work this boat will run as I would like it.

 

[Joe Warren]

Frank I raced 20 Mono several times with Very small trim plates. I mounted these up on the transom so they did not drag in the water. but I did use the water coming off the bottom of the strakes to stop Chime walk. When you free the boat Up to get the BIG speed. It will chime walk. As for heat racing, Jerry Instructions are best... For heat racing the boat should look tight on the smooth test water. the chop will free it up. Several people have posted on here about Hook. The hook is critical. But if you notice if you look @ the boat keel line the hook is minium. Only when the boat wets up does the hook come into a big effect.... You take it Out ..... it WILL NOT TURN....

 

[Terry Keeley]

Hey Franko, any chance you might have more hook than the average bear? Can you measure it? Filling some of it in would sure free it up I'd bet.

 

[BigChuck]

Frank, Take the boat out one day and JACK the strut up as far as it will go. Run the boat. Them let us know what you saw. With out trying that everything else is not relative. Be careful to "apply" the throttle.

And there will be movement. LOTS of it. But you want to" Go Fast" this is were you will have to go. Watch the boat it will want to blow off. Your triming for the pass will be different from heat racing.

 

[gil sonsino]

Terry the other boat I removed completely the hook is running pretty well with the new QD but I wouldn't fill the hook but laminate some laywers of cloth in the inside to then work on the outside to have the botton really straight.It is necessary to work on the edge (botton/transon) and sanding this area the botton starts to be flat.It took me many sessions at the lake working on the botton to figure out that with a straight botton the seaducer is unbattable in straight and turns.I agree with John Finch in this particular but want to see if with the motor back reposicioned even hookek this seaducer can run fast

Gill

 

[Preston_Hall]

I have been thinking about this. I would normally agree that a flat bottom is faster but, then again, the stock F Seaducer running 88mph was quite impressive. I will agree with John about how to control the hook. Even Jerry admited that you get some that are better than others but I think that is true with most boats.

I can't really argue the either side of this but I can ask,"If hook is bad then why do the boats run so well"? Let's be honest. Seaducer raised the bar.

 

[gil sonsino]

Hi Preston I agree with you too but this is the mystery of Ducer's.Also have seen many stock boats running impressively fast (70's) but others no so I would like to have the chance to put boats side by side and take a great look too their bottons.

Anyway as I have stated they are proven winning designs and I must congrat the 88mph of that boat!!

Gill

 

[Terry Keeley]

I got a tip from Gary Preusse about fiberglass monos and that is to be careful where you put them in your stand. If you have the back of the boat sitting on the stand be sure its right at the transom or you can develop more hook over time.

 

[Eric Canto]

It is CHINE not CHIME

 

[Joe_Knesek]

I have been thinking about this. I would normally agree that a flat bottom is faster but, then again, the stock F Seaducer running 88mph was quite impressive. I will agree with John about how to control the hook. Even Jerry admited that you get some that are better than others but I think that is true with most boats.

I can't really argue the either side of this but I can ask,"If hook is bad then why do the boats run so well"? Let's be honest. Seaducer raised the bar.

Preston, I agree that the Seaducer changed monos as we knew them. I see the hook as a built in trim tab and any boat that is running tabs is using the tab to create that hook. Jerry's aproach allows him to control the setup to an extent.

I believe other boats such as the Speedmaster can run as fast as a Seaducer but the builder has much more oppertunity to mess things up on the Speedmaster. It took me a full year to get my 40 Speedmaster trimmed just right. With a Seaducer, it seems like you only have to follow the directions to get it to run well.

 

[John Finch]

Here is something to chew on. If a boat's best ride attitude is say 2 to 3 degrees where it hits the water, then a slight hook lets the boat ride at a lower bow height off the water when the transon is at the desired angle of attack. So, you can go faster without blowing off the water. The problem then ensues when you throw the boat into a corner as the bow comes down to the water and the transom is then say 5 degrees angle of attack, which makes the forward keel bite hard, which makes the boat turn very aggessively. Which also makes the boat prone to making square corners on an oval course while other boats are staying in their lanes. That's the part I couldn't live with. Turn fins are not only not needed, but don't do any good when the bow bites too hard. I would rather have a boat that runs linear turns. I don't like having to go up to someone after a race and say "sorry, the boat hooked up quicker than I antisipated and I didn't mean to run over you".

 

[Preston_Hall]

I don't like having to go up to someone after a race and say "sorry, the boat hooked up quicker than I antisipated and I didn't mean to run over you".

That may be true for you but others say it all the time with all different types of boats. :lol: The two 20s I had were very drivable.

 

[John Finch]

It's easy to make a 20 boat go thru the corners because of there size in relation to the size of the turn they have to make to get around the course. Scale wise it ain't much of a turn and you will notice they don't bank real hard like the bigger boats. Seaducers are great racing boats, don't get me wrong. I'm talking about the whole hooked bottom vs straight and what it can do for handling characteristics. There aint a boat out there that I have tried that can touch a seaducer for all out speed. I really enjoyed mine for all out speed, but couldn't deal with the cornering tendancys. That's why Bonnano has the boat now. It is his blue 60 boat.

Before you ask, I ordered the boat thru a friend so I would not get preferential treatment and bought the whole hardware setup from them as well. It was set up according to instructions to the letter.

 

[Capt Ron]

i have a scratch-built ply-glass 32" Wild Thing" and i love it, i haven't tested it (like set-up) against "Miss Tupperware" my Seaducer FE-33 SAWS mono for straightline speed yet and don't think i ever will...

i run the "Wild Thing" in Q-Mono oval sprint on 16 cells, it's a sweet handling boat and fast as well... high forties

just wondering, what is the standing I.M.P.B.A. .21 mono 1/16th mile SAWS record?

Ron

 

[Jimmy Whitbeck]

Wow what a read! any way let's hear what else you all have to say. this might just help me make a better or as good product!. Jimmy