Since one of the key numbers used in the calculation of relative IR's is the peak voltage, the extra 10 degrees of temp fools the cell into peaking at a slightly lower voltage and skewing the calculation..... or something along those lines....
Wow once again I have been amazed by this subject. Why is it people feel the need to spend thousands of dollars at a problem? You know if you added up all the hours I had in this HOBBY, and all the money, you wouldn't have very much. On the other hand I do know people and have heard of others that have a whole lot of both invested. Once again I am finding out "he with the most money wins." I absolutely hate that saying. I don't have a lot of money. I htought maybe once I found a HOBBY that you don't need a lot of money to be good at or at least enjoy. ooops I was wrong again. So to those of you out there who keep thowing money at going slow I hope it works out for you, meanwhile I will go play with play with my nitro.
SteveMoney is not everything. There are plenty of classes and races that a lower budget can race in. I raced in 2001 with CP2400 stick packs in my 12 cell P sport hydro. We were just as fast as the brushless racers. I also used the so called outdated Astro 325 motor in it.
So, don't give up just because of the past....I'd bet the end is near for the hotdog teams anyway. :
Steve
In fact 1.20 is very common in some cases of cells. Looks like B&T must be shipping the best to other buyers factSteveMoney is not everything. There are plenty of classes and races that a lower budget can race in. I raced in 2001 with CP2400 stick packs in my 12 cell P sport hydro. We were just as fast as the brushless racers. I also used the so called outdated Astro 325 motor in it.
So, don't give up just because of the past....I'd bet the end is near for the hotdog teams anyway. :
Steve
All too true Steve, there is something for everyone out there. Thanks for the heads up on 20 vs 30 amp numbers and correcting me on the industry standard moving away from 20 to higher amp rates.
I would have stayed out of the thread if Fuller hadn't been accused of deceit regarding his numbers. He had always posted the 20 amp rate when he sold the 2400's and asked me one day to put the 33's up. I was the one who put the data up and I took it off of one of my own cells. It was an oversight to not include the 20 amp rate. Ray never had a clue, but was slammed for it.
Assumptions Steve, it's the same old game. When we talk fact, it's never and issue, when we assume it turns to cancer. I appreciate the facts you have presented in this thread. It is refreshing. One question, are you assuming the hot dog teams are going away or is it wishful thinking?
One more fact, I have set over 50 records (and can prove it) using great battereis. Over the years I have tried others and there is a difference. Why? I'm getting the best cells in the case. If I were to get the same best cells out of your case I would have set the same records. The process B&T uses sniffs them out. That's all I care about. You can argue I'm a decent driver or have good boats, but it's a package deal and I can assure you batteries are a bigger facter them many wish to believe.
I bought some cells from Integy earlier this year before Ray started carrying 3300's. I had been told that there isn't much difference in the 33's. SO I thought why not? They may have been the worst cells I've ever owned. The label said 1.20 volts but no IR value. I know you say it's just a calculation, but I'll bet it was 30 the way these dogs performed. The ones I have now (Fuller/B&T) seem like an extra cell per pack. I'm just glad I figured it out before nationals.
For competitive boat racing the best cells in the case make a difference, especially the ones that pull the big amps. I also have a brushless e-maxx that I wouldn't dream of putting my good cells in. I don't race it, I just run it for fun. If I were to buy some cells for it, I'd look for the cheapest things I could find. Anything more would be a waste of money.
Dick
Funny how when a post may just refer to something that is a bit controversial, or perhaps advertises another manufacurer, it
somehow gets burried, or deleted very quickly on some boards.
I agree with Steve H, the end is close for some. You don't have to look very hard to see it. It is quite obvious in between the lines.
It's a shame really, It could have been good for the entire industry, but instead, greed, egos, and decipt, all got in the way. :
Truth is documented. the rest is all just speculation.
Peter
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FYI......B&T uses Turbomatcher4's just like most of the rest of the matchers out there, yet he still opts to match at 20 amps........either that or he's figured out a way to add a third decimal place to the Turbomatcher30 av's on his labels.....
