Tumbling Prop Polishing

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David Santistevan

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I wanted to take a moment and share some information about polishing props that I think many of you can benefit from. When I was in the hobby in the past I polished props the old fashion way with a Dremel Tool, sand paper and a lot of elbow grease. Much to my surprise when I recently got back into the hobby and bought my first set of props there was a large warning that grinding Beryllium/Copper could be hazardous to your health. After doing so research online I found that indeed breathing dust from the grinding of props can actually kill you.

So I began my quest of looking for a way to safely polish my props. One day while I was at Harbor Freight Tools I ran across a double drum rock tumbler. To me using a rock tumbler made a lot of sense for a number of reasons. First and foremost there would be no grinding, everything would be contained within the drum. Secondly it did not require a huge amount of work to polish the props and this appealed to me very much because of the number of props that I had to do. So I purchased the rock tumbler and so began my quest for a safe a relatively easy way to polish my props. The other major benefit of this process is that it allowed me to polish a number of props simultaneously with the same about of work.

I won’t bore you with the various iterations that I went through to get to a final solution. It suffices to say that it took a while to perfect the process but now I have it down cold and I would like to share it with those who are interested.

Some Background

The process of polishing props using a tumbler is a three phase process. This is where having multiple drums comes in handy. The first phase is the primary burnishing phase. This phase removes all of the major casting flanges and flaws. It has the added benefit of getting the balance fairly close through the natural tumbling effects (the heavy blade will get burnished more). In most cases depending on the size and number of props will take about three to five days in the tumbler. You will be suprised at how close your blade shapes will be as a result of this process. Out of the last 30 props I did, only one had a minor shape difference using the PlayDoh method of checking your prop shape.

The second phase of the process is the beginning of the finish process. This will smooth the entire surface and get you read y for final balancing and sharpening. The first part of phase two take again about three to five days. After the initial finishing you will remove the props and do a final sharpening and balance on the blades. You will be using WET 320 or 400 for your balancing and a file to sharpen. After you have completed balancing and sharpening the props you will return them again to the finishing media for two or three days more to complete the process.

The final phase is the polishing and this can take between two and five days depending on how high polish finish you want on your props. During the first two phases of the project you will be working with WET media so the risk of dust inhalation is minimized, however you must still wear an appropriate masks. But you do not have to worry about immediately washing your clothes and shower as recommended. The final polishing phase is a dry phase so precautions to be taken when working around the media (especially after you have polished the props and there may be dust in the media).

What You Will Need

  1. A double drum rock tumbler. I bought mine at Harbor Freight Tools for around $50.
  2. You will need three type of tumbling media. A burnishing compound, a finish compound and a polishing compound. I buy these on-line from Rio Grande (http://www.riogrande.com/) . What you will need is for the burnishing compound is the Blue Pyramids, and for the Green Pyramids and for the polish you will need “Media Shell Shine Red”. This is a crushed Walnut shell encrusted polish. Each of these runs about $30 and are reusable.
  3. A strainer, I purchased mine from the local grocery store. A small unit about 8 to 10 inch with a handle works best.
  4. 320 and 400 wet sand paper
  5. A fine metal file
  6. A few drops of dishwashing liquid as a burnishing agent.


Phase 1

  1. Fill a drum a little more than half with the Blue Pyramid polishing media. You will also want to add a small amount of water. I would say about a 1/8 cup along with two drops of liquid dish soap. You will then add your props. The secret here is not to overload the drum. If you are working large props you will probably only get two, maybe three. There must be room in the drum with the media and props for things to tumble. If you find that you are not getting the desired effect try fewer props.
  2. You will need to clean the props, drum and media at least every couple of days. This process consists of going to the sink, using the strainer pour the contents into the strainer and rinse thoroughly. Make sure none of the polishing media goes down the drain or you will have another “honey do” keeping you from your boats. Then simply replace the media, props, water and soap and put it back on the tumbler. The props are finished when all of the major casting flanges and burrs are gone and the prop has a nice even texture.
  3. When finished you will need to once again clean out your drum and media. Your media is reusable so after cleaning it place it in a bucket to dry.

Phase Two

  1. Like before you will want to load your drum with the media, props and soap only this time you will be using the Green Pyramids. You will be running the props for three to five days depending again on the number of props and their sizes. During this time you will need to clean your media, props and drum daily. Otherwise your props will begin to turn a dingy brown and harder to polish.
  2. After your props have reached a consistent, smooth finish you are ready for balancing and sharpening. You will be using 320 and 400 sandpaper wet to minimize dust. Balance and sharpen the props according to your own technique.
  3. After you have completed balancing and sharpening the blade you will return them to the tumbler using the Green Pyramids for another couple of days paying a great deal of attention to keeping the media and drum clean. I would do it at the very least once a day.
  4. The props will be done when all of your balancing and sharping marks are gone from the prop and it again has a uniform smooth finish.
  5. Clean out your drum and media as before.


Phase Three (Payday!)

  1. This is the final phase and it is the easiest. All you have to do is once again load your drum with the Red Shell polishing media and props and put it to run. The longer they run the more polished they will become. You can achieve a beautiful gold finish in just a couple of days. This is a DRY mixture so you will not be adding any water or soap. Since you are now dealing with a dry mixture that is going to be taking very small amounts of metal off you must take care when handling this media especially after you are done polishing. I would recommend wearing a high quality dust mask and washing the media when you are through thoroughly.
  2. You do not have to concern yourself too much about balance after polishing as very little metal is actually removed. However with that said, polishing for a long period of time may change your balance slightly. Your blade will also lose some of their sharpness but a careful file along the edge and you are ready to go again.
  3. When finished removed your polished props and hand buff with a soft cloth.
  4. Once again clean out your drum and media.


Conclusion

This is a wonderful and safe way to polish your props. The major benefits are : 1) much safer than traditional sanding and grinding, 2) highly productive in that you can do a large number of props with the same small amount of work, 3) you end up with props that are the envy of everyone at the pond.

As always I would love to hear from anyone who can help me to improve the process or has had similar or differing results.

Happing Boating!

Dave
 
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I had a tumbler for my reloading bench brass, and had ideas of this a while back.... i only used walnut media but they had additives ( I forget) to speed the shine..... ( basically acidic or basic, and toxic) IMO and the most part only one at a time could be accomplished, as the tumbler would ding thinned edges clunking around in there..... evrybody wants shiny bullets right?..... i'm also of the satin finish approach... , lately, as golf ball technology etc always makes a guys head grind. each his own...... test well.... Mike
 
Rod,

Actually no, the goal is to do the least amount of dry grinding on the props. If you go back and read phase 2 again you will see that you balance and sharpen your props in the middle of phase 2. The natural action of the tumbler will bring the blades very close in balance so that you only have to do minor work to balance, shape and sharpen the blades. The tumbling action will cause the heavy blade to get burnished more until they reach equalibrium. It will also provide a nice taper on the edge of the blades that will be very easy to sharpen. Just a light file across the face edge will sharpen them nicely.

Mike,

The problem with dinging happens when the drums are not loaded properly. If you do not have enough media your props will bang around in there and your will get some of that. You want enough media so things tumble but not bang. The other factors is that Beryllium/Copper is so dang hard that you wont see too much of that. Mostly it's hard to get a top finish if the drum is not loaded properly.
 
David,

Nice stuff, but you cannot get the trailing edge sharp enough or the blades

profiled this way. I am not sure that the blades are thin enough either for

a great competition propeller. I am sure they would be fine for sport boaters.

Have Fun Testing,

Mark Sholund
 
Mark,

Great feedback. How thin is thin enough on the traiing edges? Just wondering because I did notice a significant reduction in the overall blade thickness. As part of the process I did use a caliper to check to thickness and overall size of the blades. I found that I lost about 30% in the blade thickness and about 10% on the diameter. Certainly something to think about when sizing the props. I would like to learn more about what would be an optimal thickness and about profiling so that I can take all of that in if you will share.
 
i would think the newer vibratory type shell polisher would be better.no banging around like a tumbler
 
I use hand tools to work my props to minimize generating airborne dust.

Tumbling is a good idea...but would that dull the edge of the prop?
 
David,

You would have to order one of the propellers that you

are using so I could measure everything you are asking

about. I do every order custom so the numbers and profiles

are all different depending on the boat and set up.

Thanks,

Mark Sholund
 
Thanks for the info Mark, I may order a couple of your props for comparison. One quick question on the polish. In my research I have found some information that suggests that a high polish on the face of the blade can cause some problems with cavitation. Is there any hard evidence to support this?
 
David,

That is not really true. It can do that, but most likely the cavitation problem is

really in the blade profile and in the pitch and cup numbers. Call me if you want

more information on propellers, as I am very busy with late Charleston orders.

We set some records with a very polished propeller in the past, but now I think

more records are being set with a rougher face finish.

Thanks For Reading,

Mark Sholund

231.590.3023
 
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David,

That is not really true. It can do that, but most likely the cavitation problem is

really in the blade profile and in the pitch and cup numbers. Call me if you want

more information on propellers, as I am very busy with late Charleston orders.

We set some records with a very polished propeller in the past, but now I think

more records are being set with a rougher face finish.

Thanks For Reading,

Mark Sholund

231.590.3023
Some of the FASTEST and BEST props I have had or seen some a few notorious fast racers run are the roughest, ugliest things you ever layed eyes on.. :) Granted they all were profiled, cut, pitched and balenced.. But just down right UGLY.. covered in Dyechem, plier marks all over them, decolored from cooking them in a kiln.. But FAST.. LOL... The looks on peoples faces are priceless when they take a close look..
 
There use to be a 1440 that ran on a lynx set up. That prop was a one of a kind. It had a big chip missing out of the leading edge of one of the blades. That prop won many nationals from 98' till today. It was nickname "Chip". Many tries to copy that prop were made. All of which, none as good as the original. It was lost a couple of years ago to the lake bottom. Chip will be missed. Most of my props look like crap but run like stink.

Mike
 
Either of those will work. The vibritory tumbler works much faster but is more expensive because it takes more media and the unit is more expensive. Just a regular drum works too.

D
 
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