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Blair Warren

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Now....just for discussion, take Trump out of the equation. Think about this rationally. Take out the dog whistles, conspiracy theories, and the what about-isms.


1. If you think the election was stolen by the dems, why wouldn't they have included down ballot candidates so that their "steal" was just enough to get them majorities in both the house and senate? Why not go for the whole enchilada, a majority? They didn't need to get greedy, just enough to swing things their way. It would have made life a lot easier for them....If the "steal" was on, why not make your life easier? Why waste your time and effort on stealing just one office? Makes no sense to not at least make sure you would have a majority in the senate instead of it being 50:50. You know 52-48 maybe...that would work.

2. Does the VP have the authority to over ride the electoral votes? Throw them out? Accept alternate electors that were not certified by their states? If that's the case, why didn't Al Gore do that vs Bush, make himself president? If that's the way it works, Kamala Harris gets her chance in Jan 2025, it won't matter who gets "elected"...she calls it her way. Or is it only good for the 2020 election?

3. Is it OK for ANY (doesn't matter who it is) elected official to ask another elected official to "find" them votes, so that the outcome of the election is altered in their favor? If someone just happened to do that and it just happened to be recorded, would that be proof of a crime? Or at least be worthy of an investigation?

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For those that feel the 2020 election was legitimate, watch this video, which I totally agree with. It also talks about why we won't see Nancy Pelosi testify when she should have been the first witness called:
 

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And now, Democratic Congressman Adam Schiff is implicated in the breaching of the Capitol Building complex by high level staff members of Late Show host Stephen Colbert in an after hours incident. The question is will anything come of this or will the rest of the democrats protect him like they did over the "Russian Collusion" fiasco?
 

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What is not in doubt is that many states Secretary of States (whom were registered Democrats) chose to ignore their state's own constitution's laws about the eligibility of what votes qualified and what did not, all under the cover of Covid.

All elections have some fraud, but this one set the standard for flawed elections. I am recalling what happened at the vote tallying center in Georgia where all of the election observers and all but a handful of workers were told that they were closing for the night. Once everybody was gone a half dozen people returned to the center and started counting votes from boxes that looked markedly different from the others, (and it looks like some ballots were run through the counting machines several times) without the legal framework of having observers. It's all on video. This doesn't exactly inspire confidence in a fair election.

In many of the vote tallying centers there was palpable hostility by the workers towards the Republican observers. Especially among the workers that were judging if a ballot qualified. Previously, if a ballot was filled out incorrectly or incompletely it was discarded. This also sped up the time it took to count votes and took the ambiguity out of the equation. If somebody screwed up their ballot that was just too bad, it was tossed out. Yep, personal responsibility rears it's ugly head.

Now here's the real problem for me. I can't absolutly be sure the election was legit, maybe it was and maybe it wasn't, but as a citizen I need to be certain, with no doubts. It's the very foundation of the trust between citizenry and state. This trust is the contract we have with the government that holds the country together. Election integrity is the glue that cements our right to self-determination. If we cannot be absolutly sure of the validity of our elections, our dear republic is in big freakin' trouble. Once people don't trust that their votes count, chaos will inevitably result. The government simply cannot require, through taxes, for citizens to fund the state and discard our right to choose whom we want to have as our representatives in government.

There's no question that the jump to so many mail-in ballots created an environment where fraud is most likely to occur.

I would be more than happy to go back to going to a polling place in a church basement or school auditorium where I show ID and it's matched to the voter rolls in my district. Mail-in voting needs to be only used again as it was intentionally meant for. People with health issues, away from home on vacation or business obligations and people in the military deployed overseas that precluded them voting in person. I voted by mail-in ballot many times when I was out to sea in the merchant marine, BUT, I had to request a mail-in ballot and to get it I had to send along a copy of my birth certificate and photo ID.

This process pretty much guarantees that only qualified voters and citizens of the USA are casting ballots and that would certainly go a long ways towards eliminating the huge cloud of doubt and uncertainty about the 2020 election.
 
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What is not in doubt is that many states Secretary of States (whom were registered Democrats) chose to ignore their state's own constitution's laws about the eligibility of what votes qualified and what did not, all under the cover of Covid.

All elections have some fraud, but this one set the standard for flawed elections. I am recalling what happened at the vote tallying center in Georgia where all of the election observers and all but a handful of workers were told that they were closing for the night. Once everybody was gone a half dozen people returned to the center and started counting votes from boxes that looked markedly different from the others, (and it looks like some ballots were run through the counting machines several times) without the legal framework of having observers. It's all on video. This doesn't exactly inspire confidence in a fair election.

In many of the vote tallying centers there was palpable hostility by the workers towards the Republican observers. Especially among the workers that were judging if a ballot qualified. Previously, if a ballot was filled out incorrectly or incompletely it was discarded. This also sped up the time it took to count votes and took the ambiguity out of the equation. If somebody screwed up their ballot that was just too bad, it was tossed out. Yep, personal responsibility rears it's ugly head.

Now here's the real problem for me. I can't absolutly be sure the election was legit, maybe it was and maybe it wasn't, but as a citizen I need to be certain, with no doubts. It's the very foundation of the trust between citizenry and state. This trust is the contract we have with the government that holds the country together. Election integrity is the glue that cements our right to self-determination. If we cannot be absolutly sure of the validity of our elections, our dear republic is in big freakin' trouble. Once people don't trust that their votes count, chaos will inevitably result. The government simply cannot require, through taxes, for citizens to fund the state and discard our right to choose whom we want to have as our representatives in government.

There's no question that the jump to so many mail-in ballots created an environment where fraud is most likely to occur.

I would be more than happy to go back to going to a polling place in a church basement or school auditorium where I show ID and it's matched to the voter rolls in my district. Mail-in voting needs to be only used again as it was intentionally meant for. People with health issues, away from home on vacation or business obligations and people in the military deployed overseas that precluded them voting in person. I voted by mail-in ballot many times when I was out to sea in the merchant marine, BUT, I had to request a mail-in ballot and to get it I had to send along a copy of my birth certificate and photo ID.

This process pretty much guarantees that only qualified voters and citizens of the USA are casting ballots and that would certainly go a long ways towards eliminating the huge cloud of doubt and uncertainty about the 2020 election.
#2000mules
 

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All elections have some fraud, but this one set the standard for flawed elections. I am recalling what happened at the vote tallying center in Georgia where all of the election observers and all but a handful of workers were told that they were closing for the night. Once everybody was gone a half dozen people returned to the center and started counting votes from boxes that looked markedly different from the others, (and it looks like some ballots were run through the counting machines several times) without the legal framework of having observers. It's all on video. This doesn't exactly inspire confidence in a fair election.

From a FOX station in Atlanta on 12/4/2020:


 

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What is not in doubt is that many states Secretary of States (whom were registered Democrats) chose to ignore their state's own constitution's laws about the eligibility of what votes qualified and what did not, all under the cover of Covid.

All elections have some fraud, but this one set the standard for flawed elections. I am recalling what happened at the vote tallying center in Georgia where all of the election observers and all but a handful of workers were told that they were closing for the night. Once everybody was gone a half dozen people returned to the center and started counting votes from boxes that looked markedly different from the others, (and it looks like some ballots were run through the counting machines several times) without the legal framework of having observers. It's all on video. This doesn't exactly inspire confidence in a fair election.

In many of the vote tallying centers there was palpable hostility by the workers towards the Republican observers. Especially among the workers that were judging if a ballot qualified. Previously, if a ballot was filled out incorrectly or incompletely it was discarded. This also sped up the time it took to count votes and took the ambiguity out of the equation. If somebody screwed up their ballot that was just too bad, it was tossed out. Yep, personal responsibility rears it's ugly head.

Now here's the real problem for me. I can't absolutely be sure the election was legit, maybe it was and maybe it wasn't, but as a citizen I need to be certain, with no doubts. It's the very foundation of the trust between citizenry and state. This trust is the contract we have with the government that holds the country together. Election integrity is the glue that cements our right to self-determination. If we cannot be absolutely sure of the validity of our elections, our dear republic is in big freakin' trouble. Once people don't trust that their votes count, chaos will inevitably result. The government simply cannot require, through taxes, for citizens to fund the state and discard our right to choose whom we want to have as our representatives in government.

There's no question that the jump to so many mail-in ballots created an environment where fraud is most likely to occur.

I would be more than happy to go back to going to a polling place in a church basement or school auditorium where I show ID and it's matched to the voter rolls in my district. Mail-in voting needs to be only used again as it was intentionally meant for. People with health issues, away from home on vacation or business obligations and people in the military deployed overseas that precluded them voting in person. I voted by mail-in ballot many times when I was out to sea in the merchant marine, BUT, I had to request a mail-in ballot and to get it I had to send along a copy of my birth certificate and photo ID.

This process pretty much guarantees that only qualified voters and citizens of the USA are casting ballots and that would certainly go a long ways towards eliminating the huge cloud of doubt and uncertainty about the 2020 election.
Thank You Mike, couldn't have said it that well myself
 

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What is not in doubt is that many states Secretary of States (whom were registered Democrats) chose to ignore their state's own constitution's laws about the eligibility of what votes qualified and what did not, all under the cover of Covid.

All elections have some fraud, but this one set the standard for flawed elections. I am recalling what happened at the vote tallying center in Georgia where all of the election observers and all but a handful of workers were told that they were closing for the night. Once everybody was gone a half dozen people returned to the center and started counting votes from boxes that looked markedly different from the others, (and it looks like some ballots were run through the counting machines several times) without the legal framework of having observers. It's all on video. This doesn't exactly inspire confidence in a fair election.

In many of the vote tallying centers there was palpable hostility by the workers towards the Republican observers. Especially among the workers that were judging if a ballot qualified. Previously, if a ballot was filled out incorrectly or incompletely it was discarded. This also sped up the time it took to count votes and took the ambiguity out of the equation. If somebody screwed up their ballot that was just too bad, it was tossed out. Yep, personal responsibility rears it's ugly head.

Now here's the real problem for me. I can't absolutly be sure the election was legit, maybe it was and maybe it wasn't, but as a citizen I need to be certain, with no doubts. It's the very foundation of the trust between citizenry and state. This trust is the contract we have with the government that holds the country together. Election integrity is the glue that cements our right to self-determination. If we cannot be absolutly sure of the validity of our elections, our dear republic is in big freakin' trouble. Once people don't trust that their votes count, chaos will inevitably result. The government simply cannot require, through taxes, for citizens to fund the state and discard our right to choose whom we want to have as our representatives in government.

There's no question that the jump to so many mail-in ballots created an environment where fraud is most likely to occur.

I would be more than happy to go back to going to a polling place in a church basement or school auditorium where I show ID and it's matched to the voter rolls in my district. Mail-in voting needs to be only used again as it was intentionally meant for. People with health issues, away from home on vacation or business obligations and people in the military deployed overseas that precluded them voting in person. I voted by mail-in ballot many times when I was out to sea in the merchant marine, BUT, I had to request a mail-in ballot and to get it I had to send along a copy of my birth certificate and photo ID.

This process pretty much guarantees that only qualified voters and citizens of the USA are casting ballots and that would certainly go a long ways towards eliminating the huge cloud of doubt and uncertainty about the 2020 election.

Why are democrats to in favor of Mail in Ballots for elections? Why are democrats so adamantly against Voter Identification?

The excuses Nancy Pelosi uses for these false arguments are nauseating to listen to.
 

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#2000mules

Get your news from an unbiased source?

 

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Get your news from an unbiased source?


What a joke: "Polled as the most biased news organization by respondents, Fox News earned a -87 bias score among Democrats and those who lean Democratic."
 

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What a joke: "Polled as the most biased news organization by respondents, Fox News earned a -87 bias score among Democrats and those who lean Democratic."

Quote from the same article:

"Like Breitbart, MSNBC earned a negative bias rating from both Republicans and Democrats. But while Democrats and those who lean Democratic gave MSNBC a -1 bias rating, Republicans and those who lean Republican gave it a -85."

Missed the whole point of my post. Of course dems will think that Fox is horrible. Reps hate MSNBC, CNN. No surprise there either.

My point was.... pick a news website that is as "unbiased" as it can be. The link to the refuting of #2000 mules, was to an AP article, as far as I can tell as sites go.... AP is pretty unbiased. The second link was to how the AP was rated as to whether it was biased or not. Just trying to take both the MSNBC/CNN or FOX perspective out of the equation.

What's wrong with that?


Quote from the link above:

"Putting aside the logical flaws of TTV’s voter fraud claims, the very fact that they were able to buy this much personal location data on hundreds of thousands of people’s lives, over a span of many months leading to election day, is appalling. But this is the data broker business model working as intended: by vacuuming up geolocation data from thousands of smartphone apps, data brokers package and sell huge quantities of highly revealing location data to anyone willing to buy it. And TTV is hardly the only customer: the U.S. military, federal agencies, and federal law enforcement are all customers to geolocation data brokers"

Kinda makes you wonder how companies can get so much of our data. Big brother is watching. :)

Obviously, you can get your news from where ever you want. I do.
 

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Get your news from an unbiased source?

Just a friendly FYI - the technology used in 2000 mules that is supposedly so flawed is the EXACT SAME as what the CDC claimed was so accurate in COVID contact tracing via cell phones. ;)

And AP is unbiased............. that was true maybe 30 years ago, not anymore, not even close. Just like CNN was actually quite good until Time/Warner bought them.

And it's funny that the other story is so upset at the data that can be bought yet that pales by comparison to what Zuckerberg sells off every day on Facebook users.............
 
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And AP is unbiased............. that was true maybe 30 years ago, not anymore, not even close. Just like CNN was actually quite good until Time/Warner bought them.
Honest question....

In your opinion, what's the least biased news site?


MSNBC----------------------------TRUTH--------------------------FOX


The truth is somewhere between MSNBC and FOX. :)

And it's funny that the other story is so upset at the data that can be bought yet that pales by comparison to what Zuckerberg sells off every day on Facebook users.............

So true, and exactly the reason why I do not have a "Stalkbook/Meta" account. Change the Z to an F.

Just a friendly FYI - the technology used in 2000 mules that is supposedly so flawed is the EXACT SAME as what the CDC claimed was so accurate in COVID contact tracing via cell phones.
Interesting, CDC using the data to try to mitigate a pandemic, True the Vote using it to promote their version of the steal.

It's amazing what they can attempt to do with collected data...

Has True the Vote released any of their "data" to prove their allegations in 2000 mules?

What I find interesting, is that it seems the elections are "rigged" only if a republican loses??? When they win...crickets...

DJT (aka Foron) in 2016, BEFORE the election was even held:


IMO, the guy never really "wanted" to be president, too much responsibility. It was all a publicity stunt on his part to enhance his "Brand". When he got elected, it was like....oh crap, what do I do now?

See ya at the pond!
 

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Just a couple questions.
If "2000 mules" is supposed to prove voter fraud, why was it not presented as evidence in some court filing? If it's supposed to be pressing some case, why is it not being widely distributed? Now if I want to see the whole thing, they want to charge me $20 to rent it - $30 to buy it. Could it be someone is trying to make some money?
I recently heard Mike "Pillow" Lindell is going to have another "symposium" to showcase some new "evidence" of voter fraud. Again, if it's real evidence, why not in a court filing? Granted, if you've seen Pillow ranting about his "evidence" and fraud, you'd recall those old commercials about "this is your brain.. this is your brain on drugs" as the egg hits the frying pan. But back to the motive of the "symposium". During the whole thing, you'll notice promo codes for his products. So far all of his "evidence" has been debunked. Is he trying to sell us on the evidence, or is he trying to sell his products?
Then you have the questions surrounding the $250 million that the tangerine toddler has gathered for his "save America" or whatever fund he was calling it. He can't call it his re-election fund because then he'd have to report the income and what he spent it on. He keeps hinting at running again so people keep sending him money. Where is all that money going? Doesn't he already have enough money?
Brit Hume on Fox the other day basically said there were many in the GOP who would like to see TFG pushed to the gutter. Problem is they are afraid of what the base would do if they were to say anything. Many in the GOP are secretly hoping that the committee can kick him to the curb so they can work to get the GOP back to a position where they can appeal to a broader audience. They lost the WH in 2020 because they couldn't attract any independents. Their positions haven't changed much since then.
 

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3. Is it OK for ANY (doesn't matter who it is) elected official to ask another elected official to "find" them votes, so that the outcome of the election is altered in their favor? If someone just happened to do that and it just happened to be recorded, would that be proof of a crime? Or at least be worthy of an investigation?
I know, quoted myself...

But nobody's commented on this one yet?
 

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Blair, if you really want to see which news agencies are biased and how much, look at what they are and are not reporting:
  • The southern border-only at Fox, foreign and independent sources
  • Trump/Russian Collusion-Debunked but still reported on through the mainstream media sources
  • 2020 election "improprieties"-only at Fox, foreign and independent sources
  • January 6th hearings-all of the networks but only on Fox to show how it's a DT railroading show
  • Clandestine overnight flights from Texas to upstate New York-only at Fox, foreign and independent sources
  • Build Back Better is a good thing-the mainstream media sources
  • The Afgan withdrawl-all media sources, mainstream shouting about how successful it was, Fox, foreign and independent sources how bad
  • Hunter Biden's laptop-only at Fox, foreign and independent sources, though now two mainstream newspapers have verified the story as being legit
Now, with all of that said, I don't watch the mainstream media since they aren't reporting on everything and what they are reporting on is spun to give it a pro-Democrat/Biden spin. While Fox does tend to lean right, the reporting is more balanced than what the mainstream media is. If you watch CNN, especially Brian Stelter, they seem, more often than not, to use their reporting to try to discredit and attack Fox's Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson and Jesse Watters than actually reporting what's going on.

As far as asking others to help get votes, it happens all the time at all levels of government. If I remember correctly, they refer to it as "politicing". Is it or should it be illegal? Kind of depends on your point of view. If it's over something that is beneficial to the people you're representing, go for it. On the other hand, if it's only to further your or your party's agenda............
 

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