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  1. Sep 17, 2018 #1

    Jeffmaturo

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    The only growth area in the hobby is FE. With growth comes challenges that MUST be addressed. Classes continue to grow and we currently have P limited classes that are not recognized. There is new technology that makes boats self righting. How do we address this?

    https://www.horizonhobby.com/sonicwake-36-self-righting-brushless-deep-v-rtr--white-p-prb08032t1

    We need a logical standardized motor rule in both racing organizations.

    Now more than ever we need progressive, forward thinking leadership that can establish manageable growth that invites new racers, retains current racers and is flexible and open minded.
     
  2. Sep 18, 2018 #2

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    keep us posted...

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  3. Sep 18, 2018 #3

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    Just my humble opinion, but that hull will not be competitive against most Q mono's. Its length makes it illegal for P mono and N2.

    In NAMBA self-righting hulls are not allowed. Not sure in IMPBA.

    The motor issue. Make a proposal and submit.
     
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    People have been thinking about a P limited motor rule for a while. So far an allowed list still seems to be the best answer. Darren Jordan did extensive motor testing on candidates. I edited his posts into an article in the NAMBA Propwash. That gives an educated look at some of the issues. The proposed motor dimension rule was withdrawn because a considerably more powerful Neu motor could be fitted into those dimensions. Adding weight limits and perhaps number of poles to the dimension limits might work. However, a continually revised list is simpler.

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    That being

    And, assuming you are correct on this, would the list need to be integrated into the rule book and updated there or just added to the NAMBA/IMPBA websites?
     
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    Mark,

    The p-ltd motor list already exists in the NAMBA rule book. Additions are cumbersome at the moment, but we're working on it.
     
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    Good discussion. From the sound of it, we are definitely headed in the right direction.
     
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    Brian, can you tell I don't run FE? I was looking at how to make the updates Lohring was talking about quick and easy to find since not everyone has an up to date rule book in their shop.
     
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    The current rule book in NAMBA shows 8 approved motors (3 Aquacraft-2 Proboat- 1 Hymax- and 2 Dynamites) Not reflective of what is commercially available. (leopard- TP?) The list seems to be based on RTR motors. In addition it says the CD has the discretion to allow other motors, RTR similar replacements manufactured in units of 100 or more. They must be listed on the race flyer. IMPBA leaves rules to local clubs.

    How do we get new members to buy in ?

    Mic
     
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    Our club decided a motor dimension rule was good and allowed a little longer motor than in the NAMBA proposal. A member bought a very inexpensive motor that fit the rule but was a lot more powerful than the typical P limited motor. Cost is a poor measure of motor power. Only serious testing by knowledgeable electric racers is going to generate a fair list. It needs to be updated regularly to follow changes in availability and quality of allowed motors. NAMBA has the people who know how to do this. There are also enough electric racers in District 8 to test proposed motors under race conditions.

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    The MFGs WILL NEVER tell you how many they have sold.. or very few will. And then if we take that word for word and they must (or reading Mics post above) MFG 100 units OR more.. does that mean per MFG run? Proly not but it does read that way.

    Its easy to guess what companys have sold more then 100 but.. its still a guess.

    The real race in FE racing is "chasing the rules".

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    A "Limited/Spec class should have a limited or spec'd motor(s). The problem that exist today is getting a few new motors on the approved NAMBA list.

    I don't think the list should be all inclusive of every possible motor either.

    We have many classes that can run whatever motor you want. Why mess with the one that is limited?

    JMHO
     
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    Amen brother Robert.

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    A GREAT example of what needs to be addressed is twins racing against single motor boats. Currently both IMPBA and NAMBA allow it in Q.
     
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    If I may ask, P spec, an P ltd. class aint it for the beginner an or low budget , an for the racer who wants a equal playing field .??

    if so , then motor esc an number of batt cells should be tightly limited,

    we need to think about keeping it fun , an getting more people into the hobby..

    I see alot of people buyin an EF boat coming down to our pond running an seeing some faster boats,

    so the first thing I see them doing is ( BIGGER Battery ) POOF we all know what happened,

    they ask, what did I do wrong .or they say the esc was bad ,,, then they never come back..'

    plz if you see a newbe at your pond, plz inform them so they enjoy the hobby in EF boating

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    Speaking with regards to the IMPBA; identifying the “problems” is the easy part. Coming up with a solution that satisfies the ENTIRE membership is much more difficult. We (the IMPBA), would to love to here your purposed solutions too! I am always available for a phone conversation.

    Mike Ball

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    Hi Darryl, I am not sure I understand what you actual question is.... you were asking a question, right?

    Fact of the mater is; when it comes to FE boats and you REALLY want equality or a “limited” class that keeps motors and controllers safe.... you need to limit and/or control the entire power system. One motor, one controller, one prop, and one battery.... just my 2 pennies
     
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    Exactly!
     
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    Mike thanks for being open minded and you and Don are exactly correct. We need solutions. So here it is. Do not allow twins to run with singles. Get three twins to run together or in worst case scenerio run them with singles but score them differently.
     
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    And exactly what "problem" will that solve?
     

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