TS2 kibbles and bits

Just ran mine with a brand spankin' O.S. ob. I'm gonna nickname it Hook, and I'm not talking about pirates.

Arrrggh!

I can't believe how smooth that O.S. is. I've only known K&B, and compared to those, this engine is amazingly quiet with no vibration. Wow.

To be fair to the TS2, I had multiple boat and jet ski wakes to contend with on lake Erie, where the Villain would have been subbin' it.

Jeffro

x438

2.5 ounces in cowl

3/16 above rear of sponson

angle nearly straight, slight neg

stumble blocks in place

water: choppy w/ slight breeze

water cooling blocked off to a trickle

Try lowering the prop.

JD

Right on Jerry, you rock. That was my guess; the front end gets a tad lower in the turn, the prop gets high enough to stop digging and lets go of its bite in the water and voila! A spin out.

Jerry, I must compliment on how great this kit is, though. The instruction manual is FULL of great info and this is the ultimate kit for the beginner. I'm so happy to see you guys put in the NAMBA and IMPBA forms, plus all the great tips, and even the links to intlwaters.com. You and the people at Aquacraft have put forward a lot of thought into putting out this kit, and you are doing great things for this small little sport.

--Jeffro

Jeff,

Thanks for the kind words. We're trying to provide a quality product at a good price point. There's going to be more "user friendly," fast stuff coming from AquaCraft in the future. I cannot say more, or Russ Williamson would have to shoot me.

JD

Jerry Dunlap said:

Re: Building a TS1
1. Do not allow spilt fuel to stay on the plastic for any length of time.

2. Make sure the radio box seals(lots of luck on that).

3. I ran with 5 oz. of lead in the nose.

4. You might consider using a pull/pull steering system with thin wire rather than the linkages provided in the kit.

This sounds rather harsh, but the TS1 is a good example of a model boat designed by someone who didn't know/understand the parameters of a successful model. The TS1 actually runs pretty well. But, it has several major flaws in how it is rigged and the radio box.

JD

That should be "spilled/spent" fuel. JD

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i have a ts1 that i have had zero issues with. i blew it over one day, had forgotten the fishing rod to retreive it! sat upside down for about 20 minutes. the radio box had about 1/2 teaspoon of water in it. built according to the instructions with stock (kit) parts. sealed with black electrical tape. maybe i'm just lucky <_< . i'm running a STOCK 12mm crank k&b with a perry carb (.199 throat) and a cut x440-tongue removed, diameter reduced to 38.5 on 25% norvel fuel. slight positive trim (2-3 degrees, haven't measured), shaft3/32 above the sponson. i'm running 42 and change on radar. for someone that didn't understand a successful boat, it seems pretty good to me. VERY stable, flys great, and carries the nose beautifully. no hooking at all, very minor sliding if anything. all in all, a very predictable boat, i've saved it many times when i would have lost others (dumas hot shot sprint and prather lap cat). i raced full size boats a little years ago, and i would have killed for a boat that rode like this AND had decent speed. i feel my ts1 does both. don't want to say you're wrong, but my experience has been nothing but positive. i also have run into the insert issue. wanted to install them on the ts1. got great planes at my lhs. said to drill 1/4" hole. did that and the bushing fell through! back to the lhs. found 2 different bushings. same inside, different outer size. same package and part #, different supplier i bet. did you have a hand in the ts1, or is the name just a coincidence? not a great pic, but that's my ts1 in my avatar.

moparbarn said:

Jerry Dunlap said:

Re: Building a TS1
1. Do not allow spilt fuel to stay on the plastic for any length of time.

2. Make sure the radio box seals(lots of luck on that).

3. I ran with 5 oz. of lead in the nose.

4. You might consider using a pull/pull steering system with thin wire rather than the linkages provided in the kit.

This sounds rather harsh, but the TS1 is a good example of a model boat designed by someone who didn't know/understand the parameters of a successful model. The TS1 actually runs pretty well. But, it has several major flaws in how it is rigged and the radio box.

JD

That should be "spilled/spent" fuel. JD

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i have a ts1 that i have had zero issues with. i blew it over one day, had forgotten the fishing rod to retreive it! sat upside down for about 20 minutes. the radio box had about 1/2 teaspoon of water in it. built according to the instructions with stock (kit) parts. sealed with black electrical tape. maybe i'm just lucky <_< . i'm running a STOCK 12mm crank k&b with a perry carb (.199 throat) and a cut x440-tongue removed, diameter reduced to 38.5 on 25% norvel fuel. slight positive trim (2-3 degrees, haven't measured), shaft3/32 above the sponson. i'm running 42 and change on radar. for someone that didn't understand a successful boat, it seems pretty good to me. VERY stable, flys great, and carries the nose beautifully. no hooking at all, very minor sliding if anything. all in all, a very predictable boat, i've saved it many times when i would have lost others (dumas hot shot sprint and prather lap cat). i raced full size boats a little years ago, and i would have killed for a boat that rode like this AND had decent speed. i feel my ts1 does both. don't want to say you're wrong, but my experience has been nothing but positive. i also have run into the insert issue. wanted to install them on the ts1. got great planes at my lhs. said to drill 1/4" hole. did that and the bushing fell through! back to the lhs. found 2 different bushings. same inside, different outer size. same package and part #, different supplier i bet. did you have a hand in the ts1, or is the name just a coincidence? not a great pic, but that's my ts1 in my avatar.

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If I'm not mistaken, Wade Daughtry, an extremely knowledgable and very fast outboard guy was the designer behind the original Top Speed in conjunction with Great Planes. The reason for the flaws of the hull and directions came from Great Planes as they wrote the instructions and issues with the mass production of the boat such as hooks and dips in the bottom and a weak/crooked transom prevented the boat from being very successful. Though I have seen some that have taken the time to fix these issues and have made those boats run really well.

~Mitch

jaxracer said:

moparbarn said:

Jerry Dunlap said:

Re: Building a TS1
1. Do not allow spilt fuel to stay on the plastic for any length of time.

2. Make sure the radio box seals(lots of luck on that).

3. I ran with 5 oz. of lead in the nose.

4. You might consider using a pull/pull steering system with thin wire rather than the linkages provided in the kit.

This sounds rather harsh, but the TS1 is a good example of a model boat designed by someone who didn't know/understand the parameters of a successful model. The TS1 actually runs pretty well. But, it has several major flaws in how it is rigged and the radio box.

JD

That should be "spilled/spent" fuel. JD

Click to expand...

i have a ts1 that i have had zero issues with. i blew it over one day, had forgotten the fishing rod to retreive it! sat upside down for about 20 minutes. the radio box had about 1/2 teaspoon of water in it. built according to the instructions with stock (kit) parts. sealed with black electrical tape. maybe i'm just lucky <_< . i'm running a STOCK 12mm crank k&b with a perry carb (.199 throat) and a cut x440-tongue removed, diameter reduced to 38.5 on 25% norvel fuel. slight positive trim (2-3 degrees, haven't measured), shaft3/32 above the sponson. i'm running 42 and change on radar. for someone that didn't understand a successful boat, it seems pretty good to me. VERY stable, flys great, and carries the nose beautifully. no hooking at all, very minor sliding if anything. all in all, a very predictable boat, i've saved it many times when i would have lost others (dumas hot shot sprint and prather lap cat). i raced full size boats a little years ago, and i would have killed for a boat that rode like this AND had decent speed. i feel my ts1 does both. don't want to say you're wrong, but my experience has been nothing but positive. i also have run into the insert issue. wanted to install them on the ts1. got great planes at my lhs. said to drill 1/4" hole. did that and the bushing fell through! back to the lhs. found 2 different bushings. same inside, different outer size. same package and part #, different supplier i bet. did you have a hand in the ts1, or is the name just a coincidence? not a great pic, but that's my ts1 in my avatar.

Click to expand...

If I'm not mistaken, Wade Daughtry, an extremely knowledgable and very fast outboard guy was the designer behind the original Top Speed in conjunction with Great Planes. The reason for the flaws of the hull and directions came from Great Planes as they wrote the instructions and issues with the mass production of the boat such as hooks and dips in the bottom and a weak/crooked transom prevented the boat from being very successful. Though I have seen some that have taken the time to fix these issues and have made those boats run really well.

~Mitch

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That's a fair statement.

JD

i guess i am one of the lucky ts1 owners. the bottom of my boat is true. when i drilled the transom for inserts (the instructions said to just run with screws into the wood ) and drain plugs, i realized how thin it was. after checking the hull &transom for 'squareness', i injected epoxy into the center of the trans, behind the motor mount. so far, no problems.i resealed the deck and hull with plumbers goop, mounted the tank with velcro, and added cowl mount posts, not the screws they recommended. when i balanced the boat, i cut open the back wall of the nose, and put most of the weight as far foward as i could. the rest of the weight (2.25 oz.) i run in front of the radio box. i'm running 3 oz. in the nose. in VERY windy/rough conditions, i wiil add 2 to 3 oz. between the radio box and the fuel tank. i run a 6 oz. main with a 2 oz. hopper on top, as far back as it will go. octura mount, good leverage. 5" from transon to front of prop hub. i grew up in miami in the 50's and sixties, around all sorts of boat racing, but ob tunnels were always my favorite.having been around hp ob race, and later bass boats, all my life, i know it helps me set up an rc boat. on my last bass boat, i could tell when i went as little as 1/8" of an inch too high or low with motor height. i also beleive having driven boats at over 100 mph helps me know what a good handling/feeling boat is better than someone who has possibly never even driven a full size boat. i'm not a race boat driver, just been around them a lot. i am very happy with the current set up on my ts1. the boat is very free, but stable and totally predictable. not 'twitchy' at all. just hangs the nose, and stays there. when the motors second stages, the whole boat lifts a little, running on about 1" of sponson. since i first cut the x 440, i have added a little more cup to the tips. big help! almost 2 mph in speed, and less rooster tail. no change in motor setting. oops, i lied. i mixed up some 40%, not my usual 25%. i will need to run this prop on the 25 to be accurate. but 42.4 on a stock 12 mm crank k&b ain't hateful. i'm just glad i'm having fun, and have poeple to share it with