Race Scoring.

SayMikey said:

Its not flawed if you do the shootout program. All the fast guys race each other every time after round one.

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Jeffmaturo said:

For the record I personally do not have a problem with the way IMPBA or NAMBA scores races.

With persistence, I was able to convince my two friends to get involved in boats. We all came from an RC car racing background, and the transition was not a difficult one with proper guidance. After throwing a fit that boat racing does not utilize 30+ year old technology to keep track of a boat race, my friend decided to give racing a try. He did and loved it. His only hang up was how races are scored. He questioned why races where not sorted after each heat and subsequent appropriate points awarded. He feels that those individuals that finish 1st 2nd and 3rd in a 3 boat race unfairly receive the same amount of points those in a heat with more boats.

His theory is this: There are 12 racers with 6 people in each heat. After the race the CD would then resort and better drivers wold race against those of equal skills.

So this came up at a pond that both friends frequent and I was really surprised by the number of boaters that think race scoring is flawed.

Is this the general consensus on IW?

I did not, nor do I think there is a problem with our scoring. It works and I can tell you even with an AMB system coming from cars there were problems......

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nickhartdegen said:

Jeffmaturo said:

For the record I personally do not have a problem with the way IMPBA or NAMBA scores races.

With persistence, I was able to convince my two friends to get involved in boats. We all came from an RC car racing background, and the transition was not a difficult one with proper guidance. After throwing a fit that boat racing does not utilize 30+ year old technology to keep track of a boat race, my friend decided to give racing a try. He did and loved it. His only hang up was how races are scored. He questioned why races where not sorted after each heat and subsequent appropriate points awarded. He feels that those individuals that finish 1st 2nd and 3rd in a 3 boat race unfairly receive the same amount of points those in a heat with more boats.

His theory is this: There are 12 racers with 6 people in each heat. After the race the CD would then resort and better drivers wold race against those of equal skills.

So this came up at a pond that both friends frequent and I was really surprised by the number of boaters that think race scoring is flawed.

Is this the general consensus on IW?

I did not, nor do I think there is a problem with our scoring. It works and I can tell you even with an AMB system coming from cars there were problems......

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I agree, pre determined "heat sheets" are unfair. Imo shootout format solves this...only the first round is set, and then they are sorted, and racers race against other higher finishing competitors. I've been around and have competed with both formats being used. With heat sheets,,you have one bad round, you're basically screwed. Shootout, you have a legitimate shot at racing back up. Again, just my opinion, but I feel at some point, shootout format should be mandated. It eliminates suggestions of "home cooking", and it promotes better racing.
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Hydro Junkie said:

nickhartdegen said:

Jeffmaturo said:

For the record I personally do not have a problem with the way IMPBA or NAMBA scores races.

With persistence, I was able to convince my two friends to get involved in boats. We all came from an RC car racing background, and the transition was not a difficult one with proper guidance. After throwing a fit that boat racing does not utilize 30+ year old technology to keep track of a boat race, my friend decided to give racing a try. He did and loved it. His only hang up was how races are scored. He questioned why races where not sorted after each heat and subsequent appropriate points awarded. He feels that those individuals that finish 1st 2nd and 3rd in a 3 boat race unfairly receive the same amount of points those in a heat with more boats.

His theory is this: There are 12 racers with 6 people in each heat. After the race the CD would then resort and better drivers wold race against those of equal skills.

So this came up at a pond that both friends frequent and I was really surprised by the number of boaters that think race scoring is flawed.

Is this the general consensus on IW?

I did not, nor do I think there is a problem with our scoring. It works and I can tell you even with an AMB system coming from cars there were problems......

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I agree, pre determined "heat sheets" are unfair. Imo shootout format solves this...only the first round is set, and then they are sorted, and racers race against other higher finishing competitors. I've been around and have competed with both formats being used. With heat sheets,,you have one bad round, you're basically screwed. Shootout, you have a legitimate shot at racing back up. Again, just my opinion, but I feel at some point, shootout format should be mandated. It eliminates suggestions of "home cooking", and it promotes better racing.
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Okay, time to tell you why heat sheets works just as well as shootout formats:1) Boats can and do flip

2) Nitro engines can quit, electric motors can fry, as can ESCs

3) Water conditions can and do change from heat to heat

4) The "water gods" can be flckle and just reach up and grab a boat

5) To be the first to finish means finishing, something that the fastest, as well as the slowest boats don't always do

Where in any of numbers 1 through 5 does driver's ability come into play? I've seen many times, where a boat and driver have been untouchable all day and lose the final due to a blown plug, fuel draw issues, burned up ESCs or battery packs or just plain old bad luck.

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JimZaremski said:

AFAIK the scoring used for R/C boats mimics the scoring system set up by the APBA (General Racing Rule #21.)

RULE 21 • SCORING POINTS

1. No national points shall be awarded unless there are at least three (3) bona fide starters in at least one of the heats of the race, all of whom

must be of the class being run; except in the Unlimited and Offshore categories.

2. Unless otherwise specified, scoring in matches consisting of two or more heats or races shall be by the following method: The winner of the

match shall be determined by the point system, whereby each boat starting and finishing a race of a match will receive as many points as is

indicated in the following table:

ORDER OF FINISH

First ...........................400 Sixth ...........................95 Eleventh.................... 23 Sixteenth...................5

Second .......................300 Seventh .......................71 Twelfth ..................... 17 Seventeenth...............4

Third..........................225 Eighth .........................53 Thirteenth.................. 13 Eighteenth .................3

Fourth ........................169 Ninth...........................40 Fourteenth ................. 10 Nineteenth.................2

Fifth...........................127 Tenth...........................30 Fifteenth...................... 7 Twentieth ..................2

3. In case two or more boats have scored the same number of points for the series, thus establishing a tie, the winner shall be one of the tied boats

with the least elapsed time for both heats

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nickhartdegen said:

Jeffmaturo said:

For the record I personally do not have a problem with the way IMPBA or NAMBA scores races.

With persistence, I was able to convince my two friends to get involved in boats. We all came from an RC car racing background, and the transition was not a difficult one with proper guidance. After throwing a fit that boat racing does not utilize 30+ year old technology to keep track of a boat race, my friend decided to give racing a try. He did and loved it. His only hang up was how races are scored. He questioned why races where not sorted after each heat and subsequent appropriate points awarded. He feels that those individuals that finish 1st 2nd and 3rd in a 3 boat race unfairly receive the same amount of points those in a heat with more boats.

His theory is this: There are 12 racers with 6 people in each heat. After the race the CD would then resort and better drivers wold race against those of equal skills.

So this came up at a pond that both friends frequent and I was really surprised by the number of boaters that think race scoring is flawed.

Is this the general consensus on IW?

I did not, nor do I think there is a problem with our scoring. It works and I can tell you even with an AMB system coming from cars there were problems......

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I agree, pre determined "heat sheets" are unfair. Imo shootout format solves this...only the first round is set, and then they are sorted, and racers race against other higher finishing competitors. I've been around and have competed with both formats being used. With heat sheets,,you have one bad round, you're basically screwed. Shootout, you have a legitimate shot at racing back up. Again, just my opinion, but I feel at some point, shootout format should be mandated. It eliminates suggestions of "home cooking", and it promotes better racing.
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