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    FE faces some interesting challenges.

    Just because a class is in the book doesn't mean it will be supported at races. The other side if there are too few or non current options you kill potential builders. Local clubs and groups of racers will build classes that fit their interests. I have "Q" tunnels on the shelf for outboard events and open OB classes. They get heat raced once or twice a year. What does promote people getting involved is cost. This is why Spec/Limited classes are popular. That's a great base to build on and not having an organized rule structure doesn't help. We are finally on the race schedule here in D-3 Florida and have 4 spec classes plus P&Q with cats and monos combined. For our growth in classes past limited, twins could inhibit people. When you have to spend twice the money to compete you may not build. Sure the first twins will get beat for a while but once sorted out they will dominate. Kind of like combining sport hydro's and riggers to get things going. Eventually the riggers will win out. We just need to build classes and numbers. The point here is keep the future and rules in mind, plus be open to changes to encourage new racers. Or just have "Q" tunnels collecting dust all but two events a year. Mic
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    Sure seems dead around here.

    I started running outboards in the late 70;s and since then tunnel designs have come a long way. Tommy Lee is the "Babe Ruth" of tunnel racing for sure. That said there is still room for improvement in hulls. Some of the record holding boats are one off hulls that were never available and not heat raced. Carl's record hulls have excelled with boats you will see in heat racing. Shawn's Visions we set a couple records with are hulls that have run heats with for many years. I know the new engines are superior to the K&B's but over the years I have seen some K&B's that were very fast. One thing in oval records to remember is Horsepower in nice but cornering speed is what sets records. Props are also improving year after year. Good to see new boats being produced and sold. Wish we had a few more down here in Florida as we have to travel north for competition these days. Mic
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    FE faces some interesting challenges.

    IMPBA allows twins in Q and above. NAMBA allows twins in P and above. The IMPBA cat SAW records respectively are: P-78.508 mph (NAMBA P record w twins - 102.881 mph) Q- 112.163 S- 128.278 T-119.836 The Mono records are: P-79.730 Q-77.293 S-79.874 T-91.974 Hydros, Sport Hydros and Tunnels and similar in differences to Mono records Mic
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    FE faces some interesting challenges.

    The present FE rules for the most part were written before Lipo's and brushless motors became the norm. Twins vs single is pretty much a Cat issue at this point. If they each had their own record it would not affect much or many people. For SAW twins are far ahead of singles and in ovals it's just a matter of time. I have built a few single cats with respectable record times and can tell you Jeffs reference to someone getting their ass handed to them was me. If our local top gun takes his twin to record trials my records are toast. I would have to build a twin at some cost to compete. Is it fair? yes and no. I accept my singles records will fall but I'd have more respect for the driver that does it with a single over just out spending me. Again just adding separate records is pretty easy. Now for the real reason to address rules is cost. I see countless threads on how to attract new racers and yet we just keep rules that favor wallet racers. Look at the largest FE classes run numbers wise and it's Spec/Limited. Why? cost effective and somewhat level competition. Yet no consensus on this class. Lets move up to Q. Four guys built Q cats and a fifth comes in with a good twin. The 2 slower guys quit and now your class won't grow as any new talent will be discouraged building as single. To me having an exotic cool boat with no one to race is a waste. I would love to see a single motor 40X85mm limit "Q: class. Just a thought. Mic
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    Name that Tunnel Hull!

    Bill had inside info. Actually the Vision cowl works very well as a spacious radio/electronics box for an FE tunnel. It's a pain to waterproof and graft the cowl to the deck, Maybe Mike at ML will make a deck mold with the cowl integrated on his new Visions for a super FE Q tunnel. Mic
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    FE faces some interesting challenges.

    The current rule book in NAMBA shows 8 approved motors (3 Aquacraft-2 Proboat- 1 Hymax- and 2 Dynamites) Not reflective of what is commercially available. (leopard- TP?) The list seems to be based on RTR motors. In addition it says the CD has the discretion to allow other motors, RTR similar replacements manufactured in units of 100 or more. They must be listed on the race flyer. IMPBA leaves rules to local clubs. How do we get new members to buy in ? Mic
  7. Marty, Question on the Open Outboard class. Will this be limited to Nitro only? Last year we had some rumblings on an FE entry. Open alone could include Gas or FE. Just heading off any potential conflicts. Mic
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    Q-Spec props

    What Boat, motor. and KV ? With a 1600KV 40X82 I find an M445 is a good start. Mic
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    StumpFAB's new twin Q tunnel build.

    Nice looking piece of machine work. Are you going to counter rotate props? Mic
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    Sure seems dead around here.

    Yes outboard numbers are declining. As for inactivity on this forum we used to get some pretty heated discussions that were very entertaining drama, followed by everyone. The new "politically correct" policies and member time outs have toned things down. I liked when we used to be able to put both feet in our mouths. Mic
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    The times are changing!

    If you look at the class entry list on the Racemasters site for the Sept W Palm Beach race you will see 111 boats. 17 Nitro - 69 Gas, and 25 FE. In that mix are 5 IMPBA current record holders. Notably Jerry Crowther will be driving his new line of "sparky boats" in P-Q and P Spec.Looking forward to some very fast heats. Mic
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    One thing with FE and a 4 pole motor you have 12 power pulses per revolution vs. a nitro one "big bang" per revolution. Much less stress on a flex shaft. However with power of a 40X74 or 40X82 at 1.5 to over 3 watts I would recommend a .45 size lower. You have more than enough power to offset any minimal water drag. When we were testing for P & Q records we used an OS lower thinking it would go through the water faster and we would accept breaking shafts. Switching to the larger .45 K&B lower we found handing improved immensely and the mid range speed transition was much easier. Having more lower and skeg working under water can be a plus. Mic
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    As far as the USA goes I don't think there is any national or local rule structure for a "Q" spec class. Maybe the guys down under have this class. That said it would make sense to have a 6S tunnel class with some limitations. I don't think you need any more than a 40X82mm motor with current hulls available. I would support a limited class with a 40X74mm can limit which on 6S could make a class that would perform as well as current .45 nitro motors and not require expensive (over $300) ESC's. Regulating battery MAH's is difficult to enforce and maybe battery weight is better "if" you want more rules. Actually can size, especially on an outboard where it is visible to everyone would make enforcement very easy. Just my 2 cents and wish list. Mic
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    Pro Marine cats?

    Took a drive up to Sarasota Sunday and saw some familiar and new faces. Water was perfect and some quick FE boats. This club is on the way and hope to run a couple events with them in the future. Maybe we can get a north south east west rivalry going in Florida. We need to get the Wave Blasters, Villages, Lee County and Sarasota together for a race at some point. Mic
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    WTB On-Off Switch

    http://zippkits.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=67&products_id=709 Zipkits has that billet switch for $10. Mic