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mr_fons

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Fellow Boaters:

A quick question, I purchased a scale and the rudder is on the right side of the hull.

Most, if not all of the scales in our district have the rudder on the left side. Does it

make a difference as to what side the rudder is located or do I move it to the left side?

Thanks & Cheers

Fons
 
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Fons, I just finished changing the rudder location on the Pak. It was on the right side. With the rudder on the right side the boat would corner ok at 1/2-3/4 throttle. It was a crap shoot if the boat would rail or jump out of the water and hop as it went through the corners. I decided it was time for a change. I removed the pipe and the radio box and mounted the rudder on the left. The radio box went on the left, pipe on the right. I did this before the gold cup race. The difference was night and day in the corners. It will now rail around the corners at full throttle.

Now, some guys will say, it doesn't make a difference. Have they tried it both ways on the same hull?

Some might say, you need to tighten up the boat ride to get the boat to corner and keep the turn fin planted through the corners.

On the Pak, I was able to loosen up the boat ride down the straights, the hull has more downforce through the corners now and keeps the right sponson better hooked up. I gained more top end down the straights and better corner speeds. I won the last race in Calgary with a boat that is now faster down the straighaways and more predictable in the corners.

Its hard to explain by typing here but think of the angle and relationship of the rudder to the turn fin. Imagine a straightline from the turnfin to the rudder and then straight sideways the distance offset the rudder is from the turnfin and then straight back up to the turn fin. With the rudder moved to the left the triangle gets bigger and the weight transfer to the turn fin gets larger when the rudder input is induced.

Remember; these are scale hulls and not Eagle SGX riggers.

Also, look at the rudder locations on the full size unlimiteds. They turn left and the rudder is on the right, as far away from the turn fin as well.

Anyway, its all trial and error, everyone has their own opinion. Its left side for me, its what works for me. My 64 Bardahl has the rudder on the left and it corners well too.
 
Fellow Boaters:

A quick question, I purchased a scale and the rudder is on the right side of the hull.

Most, if not all of the scales in our district have the rudder on the left side. Does it

make a difference as to what side the rudder is located or do I move it to the left side?

Thanks & Cheers

Fons
Run it first before you change it. Every hull, every set up and every driving style is different. I've owned and raced many different scale boats and have run both left and right mounted rudders with equal success.
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I'm sure a Scale is like any other boat and would take a lot of work to move it over and not that Don needs my approval on his post but his adivice sounds like a good idea,

Also Fons you never really said what scale it is, maybe someone has tried this change before and might have some incite on it.

Tim
 
I have run them on both sides but have never switched sides on the same boat. I did not encounter hopping or jumping in corners with the rudder on the right side but the boats would lift the left sponson a couple inches in the air at the end of the straights and once a little right rudder was applied it seemed like the fin would pull the boat back down. I do not know if having the rudder on the left would minimize this lifting of the left sponson or not. Give Don's suggestion a try. Won't cost you any money or time.
 
The other thing you have to look at is how far from the centerline are you going to locate the rudder? This can have as much of an impact on how the boat handles as which side of the transom the rudder is on. If the rudder is closer to center, it may not make much difference on right or left. If you put it in the scale location used on the full sized boats, out at the airtraps, it could make a huge difference.
 
I think the rudder placement differs from everyone driving style. Some guys like a loose boat and some guys like a tight running boat. Just like Don said. I dont think there is a right or wrong way of mounting your rudder. Every setup is Different.
 
Fellow Boaters:

A quick question, I purchased a scale and the rudder is on the right side of the hull.

Most, if not all of the scales in our district have the rudder on the left side. Does it

make a difference as to what side the rudder is located or do I move it to the left side?

Thanks & Cheers

Fons
Fons, I drove that boat (Miss Madison) when Chris first built it. It drove fine and cornered well. I'm just sharing my experience with a boat that was initially built with the rudder on the right side and the effect that moving the rudder to the left had on that boat. I did not change the turn fin.

That being said, any new scale boat that I build will have the rudder on the left.
 
Ok old time boater giving my .02 worth.. Years ago I had a sport 40 that hopped in the corners and run great everywhere else. The fix was simple, I took the turn fin off to prove a point. No hopping and it still turned but not good enough to race. So that proved the turn fin and rudder was fighting each other. After adjusting the turn fin in and out the boat settled down in the corners like it was suppose to. I would play with turn fin before mounting the rudder on the other side. Hope this helps you like it did me years ago. The advise I'm giving you came from another boater that is now in the hall of fame.
 
maybe a year or so ago there was a thread written by a person with a tremendous amount of testing experience with I think full scale hydros. I wish I could find it because the information was amazing and well written. I think I remember from that article a few things,.

The rudder on the left side of the boat created a lifting effect on the left rear of the boat, thus creating a down force on the front right of the boat. This was needed because the original turn fins were straight or slightly angled and did not hook well. Current TF have a good hook in them and do not require this down force. Moving the TF to the right side MAY now create that same force on the left front sponson and maybe it can cause the Left Front sponson to dig during the corners.. however, if the the TF is hooking up will this should not be a real issue I think.

But I think it is true that the rudder does create some lift to the transom and depending on where it is mounted, it will plant the front of the boat differently.

My rudder is on the right side of my new sport 40 and I am going to run a curved or hooked TF,.. my boat also has no curved running surfaces and stepped sponsons.. so,.. we will see..
 
Pak bottom showing the triangle relationship to rudder/turn fin

Just throwing this out there, this is a good topic.

triangle with rudder on left pak.jpg

triangle with rudder on right pak.jpg
 
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